Moneyball Baseball League Chat

Also,

When does a waived player become a free agent? After the waiver period/next FA draft? Or remain on waivers through life of contract?

Can a team that waived a player, claim him back? Or is that not allowed?

If a team makes a successful claim, do they keep waiver spot? Or move to end of priority?

Does waiver claim window start after the WS or after the player release phase between seasons?

The waiver priority does not change. A crappy team can pick up as many castoffs as it has roster spots available.

Waiver claims are on-going. Since they are dependent on the availability of roster spots, and since players can only be removed from a roster via trade, between the two seasons, or between the end of season 2 and Nov. 30th, there will be very few opportunities for waiver claims due to limited roster spots.

Waived players are not free agents until their contracts expire.

Players with years of service remaining are considered “non-tendered”, although arb players will have their arb contracts settled to determine their current salary. I will add a clause about non-tendering.

The current list of waived players is compromised of players cut last year who had time remaining on their contracts and recently cut players. The reason for this is that the team owning the contract has to be held responsible for it until it either expires or another team picks it up.

Philip

I vote yes to both rule changes.

Chris

Yes to both rule changes

Can a team that waived a player, claim him back? Or is that not allowed?

I failed to answer this question. Yes, but waiver priority applies.

I'm now a yes to both rule changes.

Yes to both.

Does rule 6.2 still indicate waiver claims only between seasons (since there is only 1 free agent period going forward)?

Thanks again

Does rule 6.2 still indicate waiver claims only between seasons (since there is only 1 free agent period going forward)?

Good catch. My intention is that waiver claims be permitted anytime a team has a roster spot open except during active seasons. Since the supplemental free agent signing period has been eliminated I need to adjust that rule as well. Would the following revision make sense:

(b)     If an owner has less than 40 players due to uneven trades, the owner cannot bring his roster to the full 40 during an active season (see player movement).

Okay, in order to change one rule, we need to change three. Here are the three proposed rule changes. I'm assuming that everyone who supported the first two changes will support the third, but feel free to change your votes below. In the interest of brevity I will only have one vote tally for all three changes.

First change:

Section 6.02    Each team must carry no more than a 40-man roster. In the event a transaction sends an owner's roster above the 40-man limit, said owner is allowed 1 day to release as many players as necessary to get back to the 40-man limit.
(a)     However, the owner is responsible for the player’s salary for the duration of their contract.
(b)     If an owner has less than 40 players due to uneven trades, the owner cannot bring his roster to the full 40 until a free agent signing period, whether winter or supplemental. (see player movement).

to

Section 6.02    Each team must carry no more than a 40-man roster. In the event a transaction sends an owner's roster above the 40-man limit, said owner is allowed 1 day to release as many players as necessary to get back to the 40-man limit.
(a)     However, the owner is responsible for the player’s salary for the duration of their contract.
(b)     If an owner has less than 40 players due to uneven trades, the owner cannot bring his roster to the full 40 during an active season (see player movement).

Second change:

Section 7.04 Regular players can be released from the 40 man roster only for the following reasons:
(a) pre-draft release prior to the Annual winter free agent draft
(b) pre-draft release prior to the Supplemental free agent draft
(c) to bring a roster down to the 40 man limit as a result of an unbalanced transaction.
(d) teams are responsible for the remaining contract, if any, of released players.

change to:

Section 7.04 Regular players can be released from the 40 man roster only for the following reasons:
(a) pre-draft release prior to the Annual winter free agent draft
(b) mid-season release between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2.
(c) to bring a roster down to the 40 man limit as a result of an unbalanced transaction.
(d) teams are responsible for the remaining contract, if any, of released players.

The third change:

"Section 8.03 WAIVER CLAIMS: Players who have been cut by a team, but who are still under contract, are eligible to be claimed by any other team assuming the team has roster and salary cap space available. The waiver claim priority is determined by the draft order of the most recent prospect draft. The team claiming the player assumes their contract and salary."

Revised Rule:

"Section 8.03 WAIVER CLAIMS: Players who have been cut by a team, but who are still under contract, are eligible to be claimed by any other team assuming the team has roster and salary cap space available. Teams can make waiver claims if they have an available roster spot (See Player Movement rule). The waiver claim priority is determined by the draft order of the most recent Free Agent signing period. A claim must be posted on the Moneyball Chat page. Once a claim is made on a player, all other teams with a higher priority ranking have 48 hours to place a competing claim. If no other team claims the player then the last team making the claim gets the player. The team claiming the player assumes their contract and salary. Waived players with with six years of service time remaining become Free Agents after their current contract expires."

I've added a sentence about cut players with service time remaining becoming free agents at the end of their contract.

Owner
dharmabums
beesore -- YES
chilliards
Oldmansmith -- YES
Paul J Kiggins
Mykbr1
Evil Spock --YES
sociophil -- YES
Madal
BaseballCFO
Paul_Long
teamnasty -- YES

Okay, in order to change one rule, we need to change three. Here are the three proposed rule changes. I'm assuming that everyone who supported the first two changes will support the third, but feel free to change your votes below. In the interest of brevity I will only have one vote tally for all three changes.

First change:

Section 6.02    Each team must carry no more than a 40-man roster. In the event a transaction sends an owner's roster above the 40-man limit, said owner is allowed 1 day to release as many players as necessary to get back to the 40-man limit.
(a)     However, the owner is responsible for the player’s salary for the duration of their contract.
(b)     If an owner has less than 40 players due to uneven trades, the owner cannot bring his roster to the full 40 until a free agent signing period, whether winter or supplemental. (see player movement).

to

Section 6.02    Each team must carry no more than a 40-man roster. In the event a transaction sends an owner's roster above the 40-man limit, said owner is allowed 1 day to release as many players as necessary to get back to the 40-man limit.
(a)     However, the owner is responsible for the player’s salary for the duration of their contract.
(b)     If an owner has less than 40 players due to uneven trades, the owner cannot bring his roster to the full 40 during an active season (see player movement).

Second change:

Section 7.04 Regular players can be released from the 40 man roster only for the following reasons:
(a) pre-draft release prior to the Annual winter free agent draft
(b) pre-draft release prior to the Supplemental free agent draft
(c) to bring a roster down to the 40 man limit as a result of an unbalanced transaction.
(d) teams are responsible for the remaining contract, if any, of released players.

change to:

Section 7.04 Regular players can be released from the 40 man roster only for the following reasons:
(a) pre-draft release prior to the Annual winter free agent draft
(b) mid-season release between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2.
(c) to bring a roster down to the 40 man limit as a result of an unbalanced transaction.
(d) teams are responsible for the remaining contract, if any, of released players.

The third change:

"Section 8.03 WAIVER CLAIMS: Players who have been cut by a team, but who are still under contract, are eligible to be claimed by any other team assuming the team has roster and salary cap space available. The waiver claim priority is determined by the draft order of the most recent prospect draft. The team claiming the player assumes their contract and salary."

Revised Rule:

"Section 8.03 WAIVER CLAIMS: Players who have been cut by a team, but who are still under contract, are eligible to be claimed by any other team assuming the team has roster and salary cap space available. Teams can make waiver claims if they have an available roster spot (See Player Movement rule). The waiver claim priority is determined by the draft order of the most recent Free Agent signing period. A claim must be posted on the Moneyball Chat page. Once a claim is made on a player, all other teams with a higher priority ranking have 48 hours to place a competing claim. If no other team claims the player then the last team making the claim gets the player. The team claiming the player assumes their contract and salary. Waived players with with six years of service time remaining become Free Agents after their current contract expires."

I've added a sentence about cut players with service time remaining becoming free agents at the end of their contract.

Owner
dharmabums
beesore -- YES
chilliards
Oldmansmith -- YES
Paul J Kiggins
Mykbr1
Evil Spock --YES
sociophil -- YES
Madal - YES
BaseballCFO
Paul_Long
teamnasty -- YES