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How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:25 am
by wahlerpc
I have Safeco Field. The singles ratings are "1-5" for both LHH & RHH. The HR ratings are 5 for LHH and 1 for RHH.

My question is, what does "1-5" mean? Is it 1 or 5, or something else?

Thanks!
Ed

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:35 am
by l.strether
Here's the rule for ballpark singles:

> -- Ballpark singles rating. An additional roll determines whether there is a single or a lineout. The probability varies by ballpark and whether the hitter is lefthanded or righthanded. The original result listed is ignored -- in effect, the result will be determined by "rolling against" the ballpark's singles rating (a random number from 1-20). If the number rolled is equal to or lower than the ballpark's rating for a left- or righthanded hitter, it is a single.

Here's the rule for ballpark homeruns:

# -- Ballpark home run reading. An additional roll determines whether there is a home run or a flyout. Obviously, the probability varies by ballpark and whether the hitter is lefthanded or righthanded. The original result listed is ignored -- in effect, the result will be determined by "rolling against" the ballpark's home run rating (a random number from 1-20). If the number rolled is equal to or lower than the ballpark's rating for a left- or righthanded hitter, it is a home run.

As you can see, the >sign denotes a possible ballpark single and the #sign denotes a possible ballpark home run.

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:45 am
by wahlerpc
Thanks. If I understand correctly, if my LHB HR rating is 5, then when I get a #, there is a second roll. If the roll is 5 or less, it is a HR. Is that correct?

But what I don't understand is, if my singles rating is shown as "1-5,", what does that mean?

Thanks again,
Ed

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:12 pm
by wahlerpc
If it has a rating like "1=5," does that mean it is a "1", but when a 2nd roll is required, it is a single only if the 2nd roll is 5 or less?

And if it has just one number for HR, in my case "5", then there would never be a 2nd roll, because it will always be 5?

Sorry, I'm a little confused here.

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:09 pm
by coyote303
Ballpark effects are always ranges. Some places the range is listed as say 1-5, and other places it's listed as (shortened to) only 5. The computer rolls a virtual 20-sided die to determine the final result.

For example, if you look up ballparks under Info/Help-Player Set Browser, you'll find the first park listed is...

Ameriquest Field '05 grass 49,178 13 13 19 11

The surface and attendance are for flavor only and don't affect the game. The "13 13 19 11" are short for 1-13, 1-13, 1-19 and 1-11.

If you click the link for the same stadium from your team page or from a box score, you see the ranges listed 1-13, 1-13, 1-19 and 1-11.

So for a left-handed batter, the results would be:

> 1-13 Single**; 14-20 out
# 1-19 HR (or a Single** if the batter is rated W); 20 flyball B

Any result on a player's card that follows a > or # is always ignored. (Those results are there only for players who play the CD-ROM version of the game and choose not to use ballpark effects.)

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:20 pm
by ycbill
In your first post you state that for Safeco the singles ratings are listed as 1-5. Since the current year ratings are SI L 1 and SI R 1, I wonder where you are seeing that range for singles. Is it from another year?

While trying to figure that out I looked through prior years in the ballpark browser section and found that the Seattle 1999 surface was not grass or turf, but "Gurf".

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:25 pm
by milleram
I think I see what you are reading---Safeco is rated (2013) ---- 1 single out 2-20 for LH, 1 single out 2-20 for RH, 1-5 HR out 6-20 for LH and 1 HR out 2-10 for RH.

In the ball park section it looks something like this--way up top (out of view) is the headers for SI L, SI R, HR L, HR R

SAFECO Field '13 grass 46,621 1 1 5 1

Way back in the old board game days there was a 20 card deck--called split cards--you shuffled them often and drew a card to determine the result, now it's just a random computer number between 1-20 (same odds)

I think the average ball park is 1-8 for singles (both LH & RH) and 1-10 for HR--but this varies from year to year.

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:41 pm
by coolhandlewke
I've wondered about that 1-5 also. I surmised to myself that maybe it was a roof open/closed variable. to that end other parks could use a day/night variation. dodger stadium plays pretty normal during the day, but is a sluggers nightmare at night.

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:14 pm
by coyote303
coolhandlewke wrote:I've wondered about that 1-5 also. I surmised to myself that maybe it was a roof open/closed variable. to that end other parks could use a day/night variation. dodger stadium plays pretty normal during the day, but is a sluggers nightmare at night.


The CD-ROM version of the game offers a version of ballpark effects that takes into account day/night and weather (good, average, bad). At least it did for the 2006 season when I last played the CD-ROM version. Each ball park had three ratings each for singles and for homeruns: good, average, bad. Day games and summer games were much more likely to yield good weather (and thus higher ratings for singles and homeruns).

However, the online version only uses the basic version of ballpark effects which has only one rating each for singles and for homeruns.

Re: How to read ballpark ratings

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:31 pm
by Valen
As others noted 1-5 or simply 5 both mean that a random number between 1 and 20 inclusive is generated to simulate the 20 card split deck. A 1 through 5 inclusive results in a HR.

Regarding some parks playing different at night or during the day the cdrom advanced ballpark ratings do in fact make adjustments. And there are even adjustments for weather and month of the season if I remember right.