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I posted this in another thread and thought it might serve as a decent springboard for some conversation:
I love using a 5-man rotation over/against a 4-man. Part of that is the fact that there are more * SP options and more players go that route, so I'm more likely to get my favorite players with a 5-man. If I'm building a 100M ATG9 team, for example, I may allocate 45M for a pitching staff, and put 4 of that on a closer and another 5 on the other bullpen parts, leaving me about 34M for SP's. (Similar to your estimates, Jim.)
With 34M for SP's, we could do this:
SP1* - Dutch Leonard 12.21M, LH S8 E, 5 BB, 6.75 1B, .28 HR (11.16%, 11.2 total bases)
SP2* - Jacob DeGrom 10.83M, RH S7 4R, 4 BB, 3.75 1B, 1.39 2B vs. RH (8.56%, 9.95 total bases vs. RH)
SP3* - Bob Gibson 7.25M, RH S9* 2R, 3 BB, 10 1B, 1.5 2B, .5 3B, (13.89%, 16.2 total bases vs. RH)
SP4* - Jack Billingham 4.20M RH S8* E, 6 BB, 10.45 1B, 5.05 2B, .5 3B, 2 HR (22.23%, 33.38 total bases)
Filler - 0.50
Total - 34.99M
SP1 - Ferdie Schupp 9.65M, LH S8/R5 E, 7 BB, 4.4 1B (10.55%, 10.55 total bases)
SP2 - Pedro Martinez 8.95M, RH S7/R4 4R, 3.75 1B, 2.64 2B vs. RH (6.39%, 9.04 total bases vs. RH)
SP3 - Willard Schmidt 6.43M, RH S9/R3 3R, 10 BB, 1.62 1B, 1.94 2B, 0.6 3B (13.38%, 16.44 total bases vs. RH)
SP4 - Bobby Bolin 5.44M, RH S8 1L, 6 BB, 8 1B, 4.9 2B, .2 3B, 1 HR (18.63%, 26.34 total bases)
SP5 - Andy Cooper 4.02M, LH S8/R1 E, 6 BB, 11.25 1B, 6 2B, 1 3B (22.47%, 29.89 total bases)
Total - 34.49M (saving the price of the filler piece)
The 5-man vs. 4-man argument is a qualitative decision based on the number of starts. With a 4-man, you get 40 starts each from everyone with 41 for your 1-2. With the 5-man, it is 32 starts per (with 33 to 1/2). Dropping 8 starts each from Leonard, DeGrom, and Gibson and giving those to Bobby Bolin/Andy Cooper is a HUGE downgrade in those 24 games. However, taking all 40 of Billingham's starts away and distributing them between Bolin/Cooper is an upgrade (not as much of an upgrade as the downgrade). And then you have Schupp/Martinez/Schmidt being marginally better in all of their 32 starts than the 32 starts from the top 3 SP* guys ...
Fun times!
I generally prefer the 5-man. But that's the math. It's pretty darn close.
I love using a 5-man rotation over/against a 4-man. Part of that is the fact that there are more * SP options and more players go that route, so I'm more likely to get my favorite players with a 5-man. If I'm building a 100M ATG9 team, for example, I may allocate 45M for a pitching staff, and put 4 of that on a closer and another 5 on the other bullpen parts, leaving me about 34M for SP's. (Similar to your estimates, Jim.)
With 34M for SP's, we could do this:
SP1* - Dutch Leonard 12.21M, LH S8 E, 5 BB, 6.75 1B, .28 HR (11.16%, 11.2 total bases)
SP2* - Jacob DeGrom 10.83M, RH S7 4R, 4 BB, 3.75 1B, 1.39 2B vs. RH (8.56%, 9.95 total bases vs. RH)
SP3* - Bob Gibson 7.25M, RH S9* 2R, 3 BB, 10 1B, 1.5 2B, .5 3B, (13.89%, 16.2 total bases vs. RH)
SP4* - Jack Billingham 4.20M RH S8* E, 6 BB, 10.45 1B, 5.05 2B, .5 3B, 2 HR (22.23%, 33.38 total bases)
Filler - 0.50
Total - 34.99M
SP1 - Ferdie Schupp 9.65M, LH S8/R5 E, 7 BB, 4.4 1B (10.55%, 10.55 total bases)
SP2 - Pedro Martinez 8.95M, RH S7/R4 4R, 3.75 1B, 2.64 2B vs. RH (6.39%, 9.04 total bases vs. RH)
SP3 - Willard Schmidt 6.43M, RH S9/R3 3R, 10 BB, 1.62 1B, 1.94 2B, 0.6 3B (13.38%, 16.44 total bases vs. RH)
SP4 - Bobby Bolin 5.44M, RH S8 1L, 6 BB, 8 1B, 4.9 2B, .2 3B, 1 HR (18.63%, 26.34 total bases)
SP5 - Andy Cooper 4.02M, LH S8/R1 E, 6 BB, 11.25 1B, 6 2B, 1 3B (22.47%, 29.89 total bases)
Total - 34.49M (saving the price of the filler piece)
The 5-man vs. 4-man argument is a qualitative decision based on the number of starts. With a 4-man, you get 40 starts each from everyone with 41 for your 1-2. With the 5-man, it is 32 starts per (with 33 to 1/2). Dropping 8 starts each from Leonard, DeGrom, and Gibson and giving those to Bobby Bolin/Andy Cooper is a HUGE downgrade in those 24 games. However, taking all 40 of Billingham's starts away and distributing them between Bolin/Cooper is an upgrade (not as much of an upgrade as the downgrade). And then you have Schupp/Martinez/Schmidt being marginally better in all of their 32 starts than the 32 starts from the top 3 SP* guys ...
Fun times!
I generally prefer the 5-man. But that's the math. It's pretty darn close.