ATG 16.2 Card Add Results & analysis (mine so could be bad)

Results listed below, top 12 Pitchers and top 13 Batters will be added to ATG. I took the 13th batter (Randy Braun) instead of Ted Abernathy as Braun doesn't yet have a card.

Last/First/Year/Franch/POS/Cards/Votes Wed Final
Richard, JR 1980 HOU SP 2 45
Mussina, Mike 1995 BAL SP 1 43
Johnson, Randy 1995 SEA SP 3 41
McDowell, Sam 1965 CLV SP 2 39
Fernandez, Jose2013 FLA SP 0 39
Lidge, Brad 2004 HOU RP 0 37
Shantz, Bobby 1952 A's SP 2 37
Hernandez, Felix2014SEA SP 1 36
Mesa, Jose 1995 CLV RP 0 36
Eichhorn, Mark 1986 TOR RP 0 36
Carpenter, Chris2005 STL SP 0 34
Pettitte, Andy 1997 NYY SP 0 32
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McCutchen, A 2012 PIT CF 0 49
Tolan, Bobby 1970 CIN CF 0 41
Donaldson, Josh2015 TOR 3B 0 40
Berkman, Lance2006 HOU OF1B1 39
Goldschmidt, P 2015 AZ 1B 0 39
Castilla, Vinny 1998 COL 3B 0 39
Williams, Cy 1924 PHI CF 1 38
Hunt, Ron 1971 EXP 2B 1 37
Cravath, Gavvy 1913 PHI OF 2 36
Holiday, Matt 2007 COL LF 0 36
Hodapp, Johnny1930 CLV 2B 0 35
Carter, Joe 1991 TOR 1B 1 35
Braun, Ryan 2011 MIL LF 0 34
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Rest of the Pitchers voting...
Abernathy Ted 1967 CIN RP 1 31
Bumgarner Madison 2013 GIA SP 0 30
Willis Dontrelle 2005 FLA SP 0 29
Zito Barry 2002 A's SP 0 29
Putz JJ 2007 SEA RP 0 29
Peavy Jake 2007 SD SP 0 27
Dotel Octavio 2002 HOU RP 0 26
Balfour Grant 2008 TB RP 0 26
Hahn Noodles 1902 CIN SP 1 25
Dickey RA 2012 NYM SP 0 25
Schmidt Jason 2003 GIA SP 0 24
Keuchel Dallas 2015 HOU SP 0 24
Braxton Garland 1928 WAS/MIN SP 0 24
Casey Hugh 1942 DOD RP 1 22
Betancourt Rafael 2007 CLV RP 0 22
Kluber Corey 2014 CLV SP 0 21
Bedrosian Steve 1987 PHI RP 2 21
Rogers Kenny 1995 TEX SP 1 20
Farrell Turk 1963 HOU SP 1 20
Wainwright Adam 2010 STL SP 0 19
Webb Brandon 2006 AZ SP 0 18
Lee Bill C 1938 CHC SP 0 17
Potter Nels 1945 BAL/SLB SP 0 15
Benitez Armando 1999 NYM RP 0 14
Krukow Mike 1986 GIA SP 0 14
Kim Byung-Hyun 2002 AZ RP 0 13
Gubicza Mike 1988 KCR SP 0 13
Ryan BJ 2005 BAL/SLB RP 0 12
Oswalt Roy 2006 HOU SP 1 12
Shields James 2011 TB SP 0 11
Hamels Cole 2008 PHI SP 0 10
Vazquez Javier 2003 EXP/NAT SP 0 10
Donnelly Brendon 2003 ANG RP 0 8
Hentgen Pat 1996 TOR SP 0 8
Wohlers Mark 1995 BRV RP 0 8
Nagy Charles 1992 CLV SP 0 7
Reed Steve 1995 COL RP 0 5
Sorensen Larry 1978 MIL SP 0 5

Rest of the Batters voting...
Piazza Mike 2000 NYM C 2 33
Longoria Evan 2009 TB 3B 0 32
Flick Elmer 1900 PHI OF 2 30
Sauer Hank 1952 CHC LF 1 30
Galarraga Andres 1993 COL 1B 3 30
Davis Willie 1971 DOD CF 2 30
Pendleton Terry 1991 BRV 3B 2 28
Castillo Luis 2003 FLA 2B 0 28
Singleton Ken 1977 BAL/SLB OF DH 2 27
Burns George H 1926 CLV 1B 2 26
Morneau Justin 2006 WAS/MIN 1B 0 26
Wynn Jimmy 1974 DOD OF 2 26
Figgins Chone 2009 ANG 3B 0 24
Beltran Carlos 2003 KCR OF 1 24
Crawford Carl 2010 TB OF 0 23
Anson Cap 1884 CHC 1B 2 22
Lieberthal Mike 1999 PHI C 0 22
Hunter Torii 2007 WAS/MIN CF 0 21
Lee Derrek 2003 FLA 1B 0 20
Wells Vernon 2003 TOR CF 0 20
Bell Jay 1999 AZ 2B 1 19
Nixon Otis 1991 BRV OF 0 19
Dunn Adam 2004 CIN LF 1B 0 17
Tiernan Mike 1896 GIA OF 0 16
Hidalgo Richard 2000 HOU OF 0 15
DeJesus Ivan 1978 CHC SS 0 15
Joyner Wally 1987 ANG 1B 1 14
Sweeney Mike 2002 KCR 1B 0 13
Phillips Brandon 2011 CIN 2B 0 13
Greer Rusty 1997 TEX OF 0 10
Ibanez Raul 2006 SEA LF 0 10
Klesko Ryan 1999 BRV LF 1B 0 10
Jenkins Geoff 2000 MIL OF 0 10
Hudson Orlando 2007 AZ 2B 0 9
Jordan Brian 1998 STL OF 0 9
Zimmerman Ryan 2010 EXP/NAT 3B 0 9
Spiers Bill 1997 HOU 3B SS 0 8

Looks like a good list, thanks for the hard work Rosie.

For the next add I think we should take the next 10 pitchers and next 15 hitters from this round of voting...

In some ways the voting process reminds me of the annual HOF vote. From that perspective, it is heartening that Elmer Flick seems poised to get in next time. I think that card could be a mid range, small ball dream card if appropriately priced. Conversely, I wonder if the bottom five vote getters should get dropped from the next round of voting. Just a thought.

Thrilled that Sam McDowell, Randy Johnson and Cy Williams all got in. On the other hand, Joe Carter? I get it if you need franchise cards but can't forsee him getting much use outside that context.

Agree with Druid - the majority of these adds are free agent list fodder with a few exceptions. Franchise league guys will be happy I suppose, but those of us who, for the most part, play ATG don't have a lot to interest us. Pricing will be the key (as always) for ultimate usability. I know I've said this before, but unless you are in unlimited or very high(200 mil +) leagues, guys like Mesa (endurance "1" studs) are useless. Again, my 2 centavos.

-The Sheik

I can't be the only person playing in non-$200M leagues who likes to shop in the budget bin and in the dollar store. The current add system completely eliminates the addition of useful utility and platoon players, or +/- $2M players who have enough value to plug a hole and allow spending big bucks somewhere else.

I would love to either vote on full team season rosters that could be added, enriching the supply of subs and role players, or hold a draft where the nominees are likely to be valued at $2M or less.

I long for the 1980s Jeltz card with 2B-2, 3B-2, SS-2 and a little bit of onbase/extra base potential, and other utility surprises. New choices for a fourth outfielder. Modern-day subs who can play infield and outfield like the late lamented stunningly useful Jimmy Johnston card that was replaced with one that has no useful attributes whatsoever.

More scrubs please!!!!!

I would love to either vote on full team season rosters that could be added, enriching the supply of subs and role players, or hold a draft where the nominees are likely to be valued at $2M or less.

As it stands now we will be adding a full team come the 50 card add in the summer. My original suggestion was during the World Series but a few folks proposed pulling that into the larger add which makes sense.

But I fully recognize that that only sort of, and slowly at that, addresses the role player concern. Its a dilemma that should cause us to think of creative ways to revisit our goals with this process. Maybe there's a 25 card add each year with parameters like; sub .750 OPS or no better whip than 1.30. I would think those qualifiers would get us cards in the mid to low range that would work. But the trick is in the pricing and unless someone has a built or is willing to build a tool to project card values it will be a bit of throwing darts in the dark. Has anyone? I know a few of you are pretty good at guessing the ranges pre card roll out.

A real quick look at ATG shows this:

1,290 batter cards under $2 mil
860 is the highest OPS
39/1290 have an OPS greater than 800

So 46% of the ATG batter cards are under $2 mil. Obviously this quick bit of research doesn't take into account playability but there are a fair share of low end cards to choose from.

I'm happy to support this direction if it has broad support. Maybe for our next add we include 5 utility type players that we think will be in the sub $2 range with usability and assess once they are priced. I'd hate to commit an entire add to this direction and completely whiff.

Thoughts?

In my humble opinion when it comes to adding a full team I think the conversation should start with the 2008 Rays. They were shutout on this add and have a grand total of 2 cards in the set!

We added 2 from CO and another from AZ and one from FL in this round, as well as 3 from TOR and 2 from SEA. Still no love for the Rays here...

Thanks,
Bill

In my humble opinion when it comes to adding a full team I think the conversation should start with the 2008 Rays. They were shutout on this add and have a grand total of 2 cards in the set!

We added 2 from CO and another from AZ and one from FL in this round, as well as 3 from TOR and 2 from SEA. Still no love for the Rays here...

Thanks,
Bill

I appreciate your TB Ray drum beat! I noticed also that your suggestion of the next card add would include Longoria, Crawford and Balfour. Well played! 2008 Rays are on the list for team add consideration.