19.2 Voting now Open!

largely agree with RBurgh's analysis of the players we are getting---
okay, well hopefully getting anyway.

at least now everyone has a fairly equal voice in the nominating process, which I didn't find to be the case prior to this;
and we seem to be filing at least some needs for most people- a bit of franchise, high caps, low caps, players with few to no cards etc.

Generally speaking find this is an improvement-
assuming the cards do actually get here in the forseeable future.

Thanks, Salty. Maybe I should do this at the start of the process, so we don't get as many dead cards voted in.

Still way too much emphasis on the best possible card regardless of price. This is how we get yet another Bonds, Cobb, and Pedro.

Still way too much emphasis on the best possible card regardless of price. This is how we get yet another Bonds, Cobb, and Pedro.

To me, improvements on current cards have to be either a card that is more representative of the player than what we have, like a better Bobby Bonilla card, or one that is fundamentally different, like the 07 Chipper Jones with its strong RH balance compared to the 99 Jones.

Like Gehrig, I love the guy, but he was so consistent that all his best cards are very similar.

There are plenty of guys who impacted MLB who haven't been added, but as long as the big names and newer cards are there, for the most part they will get the votes.

Thanks, Salty. Maybe I should do this at the start of the process, so we don't get as many dead cards voted in.

I actually do think that would be really helpful.
and am sure folks will argue about it- but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

to address Steve's Bonds/Cobb/Pedro comment - the price thing works both ways, as RBurgh pointed out (and why the pre-analysis might be really helpful)- sometimes people are counting on a card being priced low to be of use- that to me is at least as big of an issue, since price is not pre-determined.
HOWEVER-
what Id say is that there should really be an extraordinary reason to have more than 3 cards for any player- which is what Andy essentially wrote as I was finishing typing this.

This is why I’ve been submitting card ideas with stats based on Veterans 75 through DiamondDope to be able to see how cards will really perform.

For instance, the 77 and 80 Al Bumbry seasons appear very similar, with a slight edge to 1980.
BUT, when you pull the actual stats from the cards with DiamondDope, 1977 is much better than 1980.

Also why I posted a Lou Brock poll. Are any of those new cards I posted really that different from what we already have? I’d like a better Brock card, but I don’t think it’s out there.