20.2 Results

Also I can complain all I want and you can't stop me, but if you are ever in Cleveland,Ohio you are most welcome to give it your best college try.

Usually I defend SOM but this ATG8 Card Nomination process is a phucking joke. Bunch of racist old white guys.

Steve F is so mathematically challenged he once tried to tell me that if a roulette wheel comes up black five times in a row, there is a better than 50% chance of it being black on the 6th role. OK BOOMER.

I want more players from the 1800s, when more than the ball had to be white.

Yet great players like Michael Brantley have no card. That's some serious B.S.

How old are you guys, 100? Why the affinity for so many players from the 1800s and the all white eras? Surely even you boomers are too young to have grown up with the pre war players?? Maybe not...

It appears the only one who is NOT color blind in this process is YOU.

I pushed for Sam Jethroe to get a card, and he got in. His actual stats probably wouldn't warrant a card, BUT because people heard how he was a star in the Negro Leagues, how he was at the same Red Sox tryout as Jackie Robinson and didn't get signed either, and how by the time he made the majors, he was a shadow of his former playing self, and GUESS WHAT? This community of boomers voted him in.

People are voting for cards and players, not for their skin color. YOU could nominate Brantley, I am pretty sure he'd get in.

I don't know of ANYONE who doesn't vote for a card because of skin color. That's beyond asinine to even suggest.

Baseball has a rich history, but some of the game took place in a time where some people weren't allowed to play because of their skin color. I can't think of anyone here who approves of what happened.

Instead of every post being a name-calling rant, why don't you JOIN this community and help us enjoy ALL THE GREATS who played the game we love, instead of just coming on here every three weeks to bash people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. Come to think of it, that attitude is one of the main things that perpetuated racism in baseball, people not willing to reach across their differences, be civil, and work TOGETHER.

It appears the only one who is NOT color blind in this process is YOU.

I pushed for Sam Jethroe to get a card, and he got in. His actual stats probably wouldn't warrant a card, BUT because people heard how he was a star in the Negro Leagues, how he was at the same Red Sox tryout as Jackie Robinson and didn't get signed either, and how by the time he made the majors, he was a shadow of his former playing self, and GUESS WHAT? This community of boomers voted him in.

People are voting for cards and players, not for their skin color. YOU could nominate Brantley, I am pretty sure he'd get in.

I don't know of ANYONE who doesn't vote for a card because of skin color. That's beyond asinine to even suggest.

Baseball has a rich history, but some of the game took place in a time where some people weren't allowed to play because of their skin color. I can't think of anyone here who approves of what happened.

Instead of every post being a name-calling rant, why don't you JOIN this community and help us enjoy ALL THE GREATS who played the game we love, instead of just coming on here every three weeks to bash people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. Come to think of it, that attitude is one of the main things that perpetuated racism in baseball, people not willing to reach across their differences, be civil, and work TOGETHER.

Well said Andy. This guy is off his rocker. And I've many times thought that he is probably the most racist person here with the possible exception of Rebel Mike or whomever the guy was that would never have a non white player on his roster.

Im not a boomer-
Gen X'er.
and while there have been some racist issues with the 'all white' teams never thought that was an issue with the card nomination and voting process.
From what I can tell the biggest issue USED TO BE getting cards based on the name and not the actual stats- but that sure seems to have been fixed when Andy actual posts the stats prior to voting.

There's lots wrong with the company doing stuff on time or sometimes at all-
the card nomination process is one of the few things I wouldn't put in that category as the cards are always in way ahead of when som bothers to get to it.

Z!

I would like to express my sincere gratitude to the voters

It appears the only one who is NOT color blind in this process is YOU. [...]
Instead of every post being a name-calling rant, why don't you JOIN this community and help us enjoy ALL THE GREATS who played the game we love, instead of just coming on here every three weeks to bash people YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW. Come to think of it, that attitude is one of the main things that perpetuated racism in baseball, people not willing to reach across their differences, be civil, and work TOGETHER.

On point Andy--thanks. Saved a lot of us the trouble of expressing a similar sentiment--you expressed it perfectly

Greetings,

Here are the results of the 20.2 poll. Our top 23 will be sent to Strat along with the 2 holdovers from 20.1.

1915 Ty Cobb, DET OF 53
1935 Cy Blanton Pirates SP/RP 53
2006 Francisco Liriano Twins SP 52
1958 Ernie Banks Cubs, SS 50
1896 Ed Delahanty PHI LF 46
1928 Paul Waner, PIT, of/1b 46
1952 Allie Reynolds, NYY, SP 45
1946 Schoolboy Rowe P Phil 45
2016 Zach Britton, Orioles 44
1982 Jason Thompson Pitt 1B 44
1976 Kent Tekulve Pitt 43
1905 Mike Donlin nyg of 43
1913 Jim Scott, CWS, RH S/R 42
1884 Charlie Sweeney RHSP 42
2005 Jason BAY OF PIT 42
1961 Al Kaline Det Of 42
1993 Robby Thompson 2B SF 42
2004 Carlos Zambrano Cubs SP 41
1929 Lloyd Waner PIT of 41
1999 Rey Ordonez, NYM SS 38
1955 Johnny Logan Braves SS 38
1962 Ken Hubbs Cubs 2B 37
1951 Sam Jethroe Braves OF 37
1912 Larry Gardner, BOS (20.1)
1948 Ted Williams, BOS (20.1)
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Will be included in the 20.3 add:
1977 Eric Soderholm 3b CWS 36
1977 Ted Simmons, STL C 35
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To be included in the 20.3 poll:
1959 Charlie Neal 2B LA 34
1933 Wally Berger Braves OF 34
1935 Billy Rogell, DET ss 33
1973 Davey May Brewers CF 32
1993 Alex Fernandez, CWS SP 31
2004 Sean Casey Reds 1B 30
1996 Dave Nilsson - Brewers 30
1973 Steve Rogers, Expos SP 29
2011 James Shields TB SP* 29
2013 Yu Darvish P TEX 27
2016 Jean Segura Ari 2B 27
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Missed the cut:
1973 Joe Morgan CIN 26
1971 Joe Grzenda, LHRP, Was/TX 26
2004 Vladimir Guerrero - LAA 26
1998 Jose Offerman, Royals 2B 25
2000 Andruw Jones Braves CF 25
2002 Magglio Ordonez CWS RF 23
1989 Craig Biggio C HOU 19
2010 Evan Longoria TB 3B 17
1984 Cal Ripken Jr. SS 17
1979 Pete Rose Phil 1B 14
2001Javier Vazquez S7* 13
1996 Ivan Rodriguez C Rangers 11
2008 JOBA Chamberlain NYY 8
1965 Jim Pagliaroni, Pirates 8

should be fun--thanks

Now we just need the 1970 Dennis Menke. He plays the entire infield and has a card like Grabarkowitz (same year too) with 3 defense and somewhat less power, but a better average.