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Poll ended at Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:36 am

1.2017 Tommy Pham STL OF No card. 306/411/520 MVP-11. In 2017, Pham became the first Cardinals batter since 1900 to record at least a .300 BA 20 HRs 20 2Bs and 20 SBs in the same season. Overcame a ton to make it to MLB. One of the most intense players from any era. A key component of the 2019 Rays resurgence. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/92648/2017/1/2017
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2. 1906 Tully Sparks PHI Throws-R BAL-E -S8*/R5
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3. 1971 Fergie Jenkins CHC Throws-R BAL-3R END-S9* Cy Young Award winner, Led League with 24 wins, K/BB ratio was 7.11
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4. 1883 Charlie Bennett DTN Bats R -- .305/.350/.474 OPS+ 151 34 doubles in 371 abs -- one of the great deadball catchers (also eligible at 2B and OF), inventor of the first chest protector, considered to be one of the best defensive players of his era, leading the league in fielding percentage for catchers seven times. Lost his legs in an accident in 1894; the Tigers named their new stadium Bennett Park in his honor.
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5.1961 Floyd Robinson CHW Bats L 45 2b, 10 3b 11 HR 109 RBI (in the old Barn Comiskey) LF2 RF2 2errors, 7assists (can't find my old cards now, sorry) I seem to remember him as a C 1-14.
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6. 1973 Thurman Munson. NYY. The Captain’s first 1 defensive rating in the set. 1(-3)4 T12. An excellent platoon vs lefties.
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7. 2002 Pat Burrell PHI Bats-R BAL-3L LF-3(-2)e6 INJ Risk-3
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8. 1938 Ernie Lombardi CIN C-2 (-3) e4 This was his MVP Season!
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9. 2019 Gerrit Cole Hou SRP6 20 5 212.1 IP BB48 SO326 ERA 2.50 WHIP 0.90 Bal 1L https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91850/2019/1/2019
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10.1925 Al Wingo DET LF/CF Bats L .370/.456/.527 Part of the .370+ OF with Cobb/Heilmann.
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11. 1993 Duane Ward TOR RP card improvement - needs to immortalized in SOM with his better year. Throws-R BAL-3R END-R1
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12. 2010 Angel Pagan NYM OF - AA stealing, 1 defensively at all 3 outfield spots (with a -2 arm), switch hitter and an A bunter. 3 game injury risk. Would make a great bench player in high cap leagues and a reliable bottom of the order guy in small cap. Also, the Mets don't have a 1 at LF or RF in the set. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/863/2010/1/3010
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13. 2019 Charlie Morton! TB SP his best year 3rd in CY few HR's allowed https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90744/2019/1/2019
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14. 1891 Duke Farrell Boston Reds AA catcher, switch hitter
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15. 2004 Brian Schneider MON Bats-L BAL-E C-2(-3)e1 INJ Risk-15(2 Rating) Expos catcher, good arm.
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16. 2019 Christian Yelich MIL Led league in BA, OB, SLG, OPS, OPS+ rf/lf2(-1)5 5R. OPS 1100 100 points better than 2018 https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91831/2019/1/3019
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17. 1965 Sonny Siebert, RHSP, Indians, 2L 16-8 2.43 0.981. Led A.L. with 4.15 SO/BB ratio. Career bests in WHIP, BB9, SO9. 2nd career best in ERA, H9. Won 140 career games, with a .551 WIN% pitching for some bad teams. Just 1 lousy ATG card that is never used and doesn't do Siebert's career justice.
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18. 1999 Derek Lowe BOS RP (R2/5R) 2.63 ERA/ 1.00 WHIP - Carded as SP (2002) - https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/3237/1999/1/1999
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19. 2005 Mark Ellis OAK 2B-2e8 .316/.384/.477 Would help Oakland EXP at 2B.
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20. 2001 Eric Chavez OAK, 3B 1e14, 4R, .288/.338/.540, Like Ellis, helps OAK EXP @ 3B.
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21. 2008 Ryan Ludwick. Journeyman OF who played 13 seasons for 7 MLB teams. 2008 was his best year (all star, silver slugger). .299/.375/.591/.966. 929 OPS v LHP, 985 OPS v RHP (Should be 1R or 2R). 37 homers. OPS+ of 151, 5.5WAR. Played all 3 OF positions, mainly RF, 3 errors. 600 AB+W.
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22. 1975 John Montefusco - led league in K/9 at 7.9, 10 CG 2.88 ERA and 215 K's in 243 IP - much better than his current card, would be a good 4th or 5th starter
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23. 1975 Al Hrabosky St Louis Mad Hungarian's best year. led league in saves, 3rd CY 1.079 whip. Improved card
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24. 1971 Doug Rader HOU 3B. This 9L card should be a real lefty killer at 3B and would also be useful to the Houston franchise. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/739841/1670/1/70
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25. 1916 Harry Coveleski DET Throws-L BAL-E END-S8*/R5. Stan’s brother, 1.97 ERA, 9 year career, No current card, would be best DET db SP, Good Add
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26. 1949 Carl Furillo BKN Bats-R BAL-E RF-1(-5)e12, CF-2(-5)e12 INJ Risk-15 AVE .322 HR 18 RBI 106
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27. 1951 Larry Jansen NYG SP 8*/r4 Great pitcher on great teams, too short career. https://ibb.co/128gy13
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28. 1914 Beals Becker OF PHI 514 HR 9 RBI 66 AVE.325 OBP .370 SLG .446 best season
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29. 1958 Jackie Jensen, Red Sox, Bats R, RF 1(-3)e16 5L .286 35 122 .396 .535 .931 Career highs in HR, RBI, SLG, TB, OPS, OPS+. Near career best in DO & OBP. Led AL in RBI in 1955, 1958 & 1959 finishing ahead of Colavito, Mantle, Kaline, Williams, Maris, Doby, Berra & Sievers. AL MVP. Played all 154 games for the Red Sox, so likely bullet proof. Absolutely mashes lefties and more than holds his own vs. righties. This card would help the Post War BoSox in franchise leagues.
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30. 1898 Kid Nichols 31-12 2.13 ERA. Led league with a .221 OAV, .272 OOB, and a WHIP of 1.03. Also led in Games pitched, Wins, and saves. Third straight 30 win season. Best player in the NL for third year in a row. Surely would have won 400 games, but left the majors for two seasons before returning in 1904 to pitch for the lowly Cardinals.
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31. 1915 Ernie Shore, Boston Red Sox, 19-8, 1.64 ERA. Shore was part of the great 19teens Red Sox dynasty, on the multiple World Series-winning pitching staff along with Babe Ruth, Smoky Joe Wood, and Dutch B. Leonard.
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32. 2004 Adam Dunn CIN Bats-L BAL-2R LF-4(0)e9, 1b-3e10 INJ Risk-3
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33. 1977 Al Bumbry BAL Bats-L BAL-2R LF-3(+1)e4, CF-4(+1)e4 INJ Risk-15 The 1977 card would make a great cheap small-ball platoon hitter. 1977 can play a decent LF, making him more playable and an improvement over current Bumbry cards.
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34. 1956 Charlie Maxwell DET Bats-L BAL-2R LF-3(+1)e5, RF-4(+1)e5 INJ Risk-15 Best season for 'Paw-Paw' Maxwell. His current card is not so good and the Tigers can use another good OF in the deck.
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35. 2002 Tim Wakefield BOS Throws-R BAL-1L END-S6/R3
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36. 1948 Whitey Lockman NYG Bats-L BAL-E LF/CF-1(+2)e6 INJ Risk-3. Longtime Giant, No Card.
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37. 1926 Les Bell, Cardinals, 3b and SS, .325, .383, 17 HR, 666 PA, 6th in MVP, No Card, good addition from '26 World Champions
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38.1987 Candy Maldonado SF Bats-R BAL-E RF/LF-3(-3)e7 INJ Risk-15 14 year career, good run with late 80s Giants, solid player
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39. 2018 Trevor Bauer Cle SP/RP https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/92053/2018/1/2018
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40. 1948 Gene Bearden SP CLE 20 game winner. Hero of Cleveland's last World Series win.
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41. 1972 Joe Rudi, Oakland A's, LF 1(0)e2 Bats R .305 19 75 .345 .486 .830. Led AL in hits & 3B. Career highs in PA, R, H, 3B, TB, OBP, OPS & OPS+. Near career highs in BA, 2B, HR, BB. 2nd in MVP voting. Strike shortened, pitching dominated 1972 was Rudi's best season, despite playing in cavernous Oakland Coliseum. Rudi was a major cog in 3 straight A's world champion teams. Rudi will help A's expansion franchise league teams prior to 1979. 1972 is a big card upgrade for Rudi.
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42. 1974 Bart Johnson CWS SP 10-4 2.74 1.12whip. Spring training injury in 1975 derailed a promising career. Would be a nice addition for the Exp-era White Sox. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/735942/1670/1/70
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43. 2001 Russ Ortiz SF Throws-R BAL-4R END-S7* Best season for Ortiz, pretty good card, stronger vs R
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44. 1904 Rube Waddell - 11.3 WAR; his best year I believe (despite winning the tripe crown the following year), struck out 110 more batters then the next and ended with 348k which stood for a very long time.
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45. 1983 Bob Horner, Braves. One of his best seasons in OB and power... .303 .383 .528 better on base vs righties .388, but more power vs lefties, .590. As usual injuries will be a problem... he will have a 15 gm injury chance. But this will be a big improvement on his only card. (Horner has 2 cards in ATG).
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46. 2002 Brendan Donnelly, Anaheim Angels World Series champs. Great card versus RH, 5R. Only 32 hits in 50 innings. 1.02 WHIP, no HRs on card.
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47. 42. 1959 Charlie Neal. 2B(30), 3B(11), HR(19), SB(17-6), All Star, MVP-8th, Gold Glove. Bats-R, 1R Balance, 2b-1e10, SS-4e44, Steal: *3-5/-(17-12), 3 Game INJ Risk
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48. 2004 Sean Casey Reds 1B Bats L Bal E .324/.381/.534 44 doubles, 24 home runs. 3e9. Very solid player.
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49. 1933 Wally Berger Braves OF
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50. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero - LAA AL MVP, 39hr's, .337 BA. In Cooperstown with and Angels hat, he should have one in this set too
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Roosky

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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 8:47 am

I am fairly certain that Goreds picked Ernie Lombardi as one of his three players to add for making the Barnstormers finals. I hate for us to waste voting for him in this.
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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 10:01 am

Roosky wrote:I am fairly certain that Goreds picked Ernie Lombardi as one of his three players to add for making the Barnstormers finals. I hate for us to waste voting for him in this.


Thanks for the info. I will get confirmation on that before submitting the list to Strat. The spot won't be wasted, as it will go to the next man up.

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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 1:54 pm

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... r=1933&t=b

Just looking for some confirmation on Berger's card.
Baseball reference doesn't show him as being EVEN.
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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 2:25 pm

visick wrote:https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=bergewa01&year=1933&t=b

Just looking for some confirmation on Berger's card.
Baseball reference doesn't show him as being EVEN.


The SOM card viewer definitely has an even card for him in 1933.
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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 6:01 pm

I've never seen Baseball Reference been wrong before...
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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 6:49 pm

visick wrote:I've never seen Baseball Reference been wrong before...


I'm sure it's not wrong, but Baseball-Reference isn't Strat either. Sometimes stats dont translate well to Strat, and sometimes Strat apparently doesnt take real life splits into account when creating a card, especially cards that arent Super-Advanced.
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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 8:54 pm

BC15NY wrote:
andycummings65 wrote:
BC15NY wrote:Bill

By the way, the link for Rader’s 1971 card from the 70s Mystery Set is nothing like Strat’s 1971 Rader card. I don’t know why they have a different 9L card representing 1971 in Mystery Set and a very different 4L 1971 Rader card on the Strat Card Reader.
My point, Mystery Card representations may not be an accurate barometer of what you may get.


Very interesting. I think the mystery card better reflects his actual splits for 1971.

.364/.412/.562 vs LHP
.205/.267/.318 vs RHP

I based my nomination of Rader on his Mystery Card. Interesting that the Strat card on offer is so different. Still, it should be a very useable platoon card vs LHP, assuming the pricing is reasonable.
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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 9:41 pm

[quote][I'm sure it's not wrong, but Baseball-Reference isn't Strat either. Sometimes stats dont translate well to Strat, and sometimes Strat apparently doesnt take real life splits into account when creating a card, especially cards that arent Super-Advanced./quote]

Is there another player where this has happened?
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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 9:43 pm

I'm sure there are plenty of Strat cards that don't quite match up to their real life splits, especially cards from first half of 20th century.

I can't answer why some Strat splits are different than Baseball-Ref. We are voting on Strat cards, so I guess all that matters in this exercise is, what do the cards say?
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Re: 20.4 Voting now Open!

PostTue Sep 08, 2020 9:51 pm

andycummings65 wrote:I'm sure there are plenty of Strat cards that don't quite match up to their real life splits, especially cards from first half of 20th century.

No one had an answer for this.


What's the deal with Walter French?

PostSat Sep 05, 2020 9:02 pm
He hit only 1 homerun but is N and has HR chances on both sides of his card. (He only hit 2 in his career.)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/34013/1929/1/292
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