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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 12:03 am

1. 2011 James Shields TB SP* Much needed upgrade for Rays limited ATG pitching staff. 249 ip 225 k 2.82 era 1.04 whip 11 Complete Games! 4 Shutouts! AL All-Star 3rd in Cy Young voting 16th for MVP 7.1 war
2. 1978 Bob Welch, RH S/R, Dodgers, 7-4 2.02 1.060. Career bests in ERA & HR9. Near career bests in WHIP, H9 & BB9. In the 51 seasons since Denny McLain won 31 games in 1968, only 2 pitchers have won as many as 27 games, Steve Carlton in 1972 (27-10 for the 59 win Phillies) and the late Bob Welch in 1990 (27-6 for the A's). Welch's 1990 27 win card ($4.66 mil) does not do him justice.
3. 1915 Ty Cobb. I know I know, another Cobb card. Yet, this was his highest single season OBP (.486) and his stolen base record (96) which would stand until 1962! It's a crime that this card is not already in the set.
4.1969 Dick Hall BAL would be a MAJOR improvement over his current three cards. In his best year (for a 16 year career) he had .88 whip, and more importantly gave up only .4HR per 9 innings pitched (as opposed to his current cards of whip/hr9 of 1.01/.8 -- 1.02/1.1 -- .93/1.2).
5. 2001 Keith Foulke White Sox pitched 11 years no card. 81 innings, 42 saves, .975 WHIP
6. 1987 Tim Raines MON LF (4L bal) Career high in HR (18), OBP (.429), and SLG (.526)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/802910/1680/1/80
7. 2004 Brad Radke MIN SP. No cards yet. Underrated pitcher that threw during the Steroid Era where his numbers were inflated. 2nd all-time in WAR for Twins pitchers. 11-8, 219 IP, 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, just 26 walks and a 5.5 SO/W ratio. Pitched all 12 years in a Twins uniform.
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9. 1962 Bobby Richardson NYY 2B - Yankee Great is poorly represented by current '61 and '64 cards. in 1962 he had career highs in BA (.302), H (209), 2B (38) plus HR & RBI in 692 AB (0 Inj.) along with 2nd best Fld Pct (.982)
10. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero - AL MVP, 39hr's, .337 BA. In Cooperstown with and Angels hat, he should have one in this set too.
11. 2009 Pablo Sandoval - .330 BA, 44 2Bs, 25 HRs, .556 Slg, switch hitting 3B - would be his first card in the set
12. 1998 Brian Jordan - .316 BA, with 25 HRS, played 15 seasons with Cardinals, Braves, Dodgers - also first card in set
13. 2002 Magglio Ordonez-RF-2(-1)e4 - .320/.381/.597, 47 Doubles, 38 HRs Would be a nice add for the White Sox.
14. 1962 Floyd Robinson - .312 / .384 /.475 45 Doubles, 109 RBIs; 10th in MVP voting; another nice Chisox postWW2 add
15. 1979 Jim Kern- RP- TEX: https://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/p ... /1670/1/70
16. 1914 Ray Caldwell SP/RP -NYY His best season 18-9, 1.94 ERA .958 WHIP. 5 HR in 213 IP
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 10:58 am

1. 2011 James Shields TB SP* Much needed upgrade for Rays limited ATG pitching staff. 249 ip 225 k 2.82 era 1.04 whip 11 Complete Games! 4 Shutouts! AL All-Star 3rd in Cy Young voting 16th for MVP 7.1 war
2. 1978 Bob Welch, RH S/R, Dodgers, 7-4 2.02 1.060. Career bests in ERA & HR9. Near career bests in WHIP, H9 & BB9. In the 51 seasons since Denny McLain won 31 games in 1968, only 2 pitchers have won as many as 27 games, Steve Carlton in 1972 (27-10 for the 59 win Phillies) and the late Bob Welch in 1990 (27-6 for the A's). Welch's 1990 27 win card ($4.66 mil) does not do him justice.
3. 1915 Ty Cobb. I know I know, another Cobb card. Yet, this was his highest single season OBP (.486) and his stolen base record (96) which would stand until 1962! It's a crime that this card is not already in the set.
4.1969 Dick Hall BAL would be a MAJOR improvement over his current three cards. In his best year (for a 16 year career) he had .88 whip, and more importantly gave up only .4HR per 9 innings pitched (as opposed to his current cards of whip/hr9 of 1.01/.8 -- 1.02/1.1 -- .93/1.2).
5. 2001 Keith Foulke White Sox pitched 11 years no card. 81 innings, 42 saves, .975 WHIP
6. 1987 Tim Raines MON LF (4L bal) Career high in HR (18), OBP (.429), and SLG (.526)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/802910/1680/1/80
7. 2004 Brad Radke MIN SP. No cards yet. Underrated pitcher that threw during the Steroid Era where his numbers were inflated. 2nd all-time in WAR for Twins pitchers. 11-8, 219 IP, 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, just 26 walks and a 5.5 SO/W ratio. Pitched all 12 years in a Twins uniform.
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9. 1962 Bobby Richardson NYY 2B - Yankee Great is poorly represented by current '61 and '64 cards. in 1962 he had career highs in BA (.302), H (209), 2B (38) plus HR & RBI in 692 AB (0 Inj.) along with 2nd best Fld Pct (.982)
10. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero - AL MVP, 39hr's, .337 BA. In Cooperstown with and Angels hat, he should have one in this set too.
11. 2009 Pablo Sandoval - .330 BA, 44 2Bs, 25 HRs, .556 Slg, switch hitting 3B - would be his first card in the set
12. 1998 Brian Jordan - .316 BA, with 25 HRS, played 15 seasons with Cardinals, Braves, Dodgers - also first card in set
13. 2002 Magglio Ordonez-RF-2(-1)e4 - .320/.381/.597, 47 Doubles, 38 HRs Would be a nice add for the White Sox.
14. 1962 Floyd Robinson - .312 / .384 /.475 45 Doubles, 109 RBIs; 10th in MVP voting; another nice Chisox postWW2 add
15. 1979 Jim Kern- RP- TEX: https://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/p ... /1670/1/70
16. 1914 Ray Caldwell SP/RP -NYY His best season 18-9, 1.94 ERA .958 WHIP. 5 HR in 213 IP
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 11:01 am

1. 2011 James Shields TB SP* Much needed upgrade for Rays limited ATG pitching staff. 249 ip 225 k 2.82 era 1.04 whip 11 Complete Games! 4 Shutouts! AL All-Star 3rd in Cy Young voting 16th for MVP 7.1 war
2. 1978 Bob Welch, RH S/R, Dodgers, 7-4 2.02 1.060. Career bests in ERA & HR9. Near career bests in WHIP, H9 & BB9. In the 51 seasons since Denny McLain won 31 games in 1968, only 2 pitchers have won as many as 27 games, Steve Carlton in 1972 (27-10 for the 59 win Phillies) and the late Bob Welch in 1990 (27-6 for the A's). Welch's 1990 27 win card ($4.66 mil) does not do him justice.
3. 1915 Ty Cobb. I know I know, another Cobb card. Yet, this was his highest single season OBP (.486) and his stolen base record (96) which would stand until 1962! It's a crime that this card is not already in the set.
4.1969 Dick Hall BAL would be a MAJOR improvement over his current three cards. In his best year (for a 16 year career) he had .88 whip, and more importantly gave up only .4HR per 9 innings pitched (as opposed to his current cards of whip/hr9 of 1.01/.8 -- 1.02/1.1 -- .93/1.2).
5. 2001 Keith Foulke White Sox pitched 11 years no card. 81 innings, 42 saves, .975 WHIP
6. 1987 Tim Raines MON LF (4L bal) Career high in HR (18), OBP (.429), and SLG (.526)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/802910/1680/1/80
7. 2004 Brad Radke MIN SP. No cards yet. Underrated pitcher that threw during the Steroid Era where his numbers were inflated. 2nd all-time in WAR for Twins pitchers. 11-8, 219 IP, 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, just 26 walks and a 5.5 SO/W ratio. Pitched all 12 years in a Twins uniform.
8. X
9. 1962 Bobby Richardson NYY 2B - Yankee Great is poorly represented by current '61 and '64 cards. in 1962 he had career highs in BA (.302), H (209), 2B (38) plus HR & RBI in 692 AB (0 Inj.) along with 2nd best Fld Pct (.982)
10. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero - AL MVP, 39hr's, .337 BA. In Cooperstown with and Angels hat, he should have one in this set too.
11. 2009 Pablo Sandoval - .330 BA, 44 2Bs, 25 HRs, .556 Slg, switch hitting 3B - would be his first card in the set
12. 1998 Brian Jordan - .316 BA, with 25 HRS, played 15 seasons with Cardinals, Braves, Dodgers - also first card in set
13. 2002 Magglio Ordonez-RF-2(-1)e4 - .320/.381/.597, 47 Doubles, 38 HRs Would be a nice add for the White Sox.
14. 1962 Floyd Robinson - .312 / .384 /.475 45 Doubles, 109 RBIs; 10th in MVP voting; another nice Chisox postWW2 add
15. 1979 Jim Kern- RP- TEX: https://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/p ... /1670/1/70
16. 1914 Ray Caldwell SP/RP -NYY His best season 18-9, 1.94 ERA .958 WHIP. 5 HR in 213 IP
17. 2000 Andruw Jones, RHB, Braves, CF 1(-3)e2 .303 36 104 .366 .541 .907 21 SBs. Career highs in HITS, BA, OBP, TB, PA and 2nd career highs for SLG, OPS & OPS+. Gold Glove winner. A true 5 tool player. In game injury only.
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 11:35 am

Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:01 am

1. 2011 James Shields TB SP* Much needed upgrade for Rays limited ATG pitching staff. 249 ip 225 k 2.82 era 1.04 whip 11 Complete Games! 4 Shutouts! AL All-Star 3rd in Cy Young voting 16th for MVP 7.1 war
2. 1978 Bob Welch, RH S/R, Dodgers, 7-4 2.02 1.060. Career bests in ERA & HR9. Near career bests in WHIP, H9 & BB9. In the 51 seasons since Denny McLain won 31 games in 1968, only 2 pitchers have won as many as 27 games, Steve Carlton in 1972 (27-10 for the 59 win Phillies) and the late Bob Welch in 1990 (27-6 for the A's). Welch's 1990 27 win card ($4.66 mil) does not do him justice.
3. 1915 Ty Cobb. I know I know, another Cobb card. Yet, this was his highest single season OBP (.486) and his stolen base record (96) which would stand until 1962! It's a crime that this card is not already in the set.
4.1969 Dick Hall BAL would be a MAJOR improvement over his current three cards. In his best year (for a 16 year career) he had .88 whip, and more importantly gave up only .4HR per 9 innings pitched (as opposed to his current cards of whip/hr9 of 1.01/.8 -- 1.02/1.1 -- .93/1.2).
5. 2001 Keith Foulke White Sox pitched 11 years no card. 81 innings, 42 saves, .975 WHIP
6. 1987 Tim Raines MON LF (4L bal) Career high in HR (18), OBP (.429), and SLG (.526)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/802910/1680/1/80
7. 2004 Brad Radke MIN SP. No cards yet. Underrated pitcher that threw during the Steroid Era where his numbers were inflated. 2nd all-time in WAR for Twins pitchers. 11-8, 219 IP, 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, just 26 walks and a 5.5 SO/W ratio. Pitched all 12 years in a Twins uniform.
8. X
9. 1962 Bobby Richardson NYY 2B - Yankee Great is poorly represented by current '61 and '64 cards. in 1962 he had career highs in BA (.302), H (209), 2B (38) plus HR & RBI in 692 AB (0 Inj.) along with 2nd best Fld Pct (.982)
10. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero - AL MVP, 39hr's, .337 BA. In Cooperstown with and Angels hat, he should have one in this set too.
11. 2009 Pablo Sandoval - .330 BA, 44 2Bs, 25 HRs, .556 Slg, switch hitting 3B - would be his first card in the set
12. 1998 Brian Jordan - .316 BA, with 25 HRS, played 15 seasons with Cardinals, Braves, Dodgers - also first card in set
13. 2002 Magglio Ordonez-RF-2(-1)e4 - .320/.381/.597, 47 Doubles, 38 HRs Would be a nice add for the White Sox.
14. 1962 Floyd Robinson - .312 / .384 /.475 45 Doubles, 109 RBIs; 10th in MVP voting; another nice Chisox postWW2 add
15. 1979 Jim Kern- RP- TEX: https://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/p ... /1670/1/70
16. 1914 Ray Caldwell SP/RP -NYY His best season 18-9, 1.94 ERA .958 WHIP. 5 HR in 213 IP
17. 2000 Andruw Jones, RHB, Braves, CF 1(-3)e2 .303 36 104 .366 .541 .907 21 SBs. Career highs in HITS, BA, OBP, TB, PA and 2nd career highs for SLG, OPS & OPS+. Gold Glove winner. A true 5 tool player. In game injury only.
18.1899 Roy Thomas, LHB, Phil's, Rookie Year, he was a great Centerfielder in the early years of baseball. He was much betterthan his representative card, an excellent fielder with a very good arm, hopefully better than a 4(-2) that his card reflects. Lots of errors in his 1st year, but lots of hits and high OBP. Slashed .325/.457/.362 with 42 stolen bases.
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 12:55 pm

Mike, Thomas is a 3(0)e23 in CF, but he is eligible as well at 1b-4e30
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 1:01 pm

Wow, based on his stats I thought he would be a 2(-2)e17 or 18, but he's probably a usable DH on a small ball team because based on his fielding he would probably be low priced.
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 3:54 pm

Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:01 am

1. 2011 James Shields TB SP* Much needed upgrade for Rays limited ATG pitching staff. 249 ip 225 k 2.82 era 1.04 whip 11 Complete Games! 4 Shutouts! AL All-Star 3rd in Cy Young voting 16th for MVP 7.1 war
2. 1978 Bob Welch, RH S/R, Dodgers, 7-4 2.02 1.060. Career bests in ERA & HR9. Near career bests in WHIP, H9 & BB9. In the 51 seasons since Denny McLain won 31 games in 1968, only 2 pitchers have won as many as 27 games, Steve Carlton in 1972 (27-10 for the 59 win Phillies) and the late Bob Welch in 1990 (27-6 for the A's). Welch's 1990 27 win card ($4.66 mil) does not do him justice.
3. 1915 Ty Cobb. I know I know, another Cobb card. Yet, this was his highest single season OBP (.486) and his stolen base record (96) which would stand until 1962! It's a crime that this card is not already in the set.
4.1969 Dick Hall BAL would be a MAJOR improvement over his current three cards. In his best year (for a 16 year career) he had .88 whip, and more importantly gave up only .4HR per 9 innings pitched (as opposed to his current cards of whip/hr9 of 1.01/.8 -- 1.02/1.1 -- .93/1.2).
5. 2001 Keith Foulke White Sox pitched 11 years no card. 81 innings, 42 saves, .975 WHIP
6. 1987 Tim Raines MON LF (4L bal) Career high in HR (18), OBP (.429), and SLG (.526)
https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/802910/1680/1/80
7. 2004 Brad Radke MIN SP. No cards yet. Underrated pitcher that threw during the Steroid Era where his numbers were inflated. 2nd all-time in WAR for Twins pitchers. 11-8, 219 IP, 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, just 26 walks and a 5.5 SO/W ratio. Pitched all 12 years in a Twins uniform.
8. X
9. 1962 Bobby Richardson NYY 2B - Yankee Great is poorly represented by current '61 and '64 cards. in 1962 he had career highs in BA (.302), H (209), 2B (38) plus HR & RBI in 692 AB (0 Inj.) along with 2nd best Fld Pct (.982)
10. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero - AL MVP, 39hr's, .337 BA. In Cooperstown with and Angels hat, he should have one in this set too.
11. 2009 Pablo Sandoval - .330 BA, 44 2Bs, 25 HRs, .556 Slg, switch hitting 3B - would be his first card in the set
12. 1998 Brian Jordan - .316 BA, with 25 HRS, played 15 seasons with Cardinals, Braves, Dodgers - also first card in set
13. 2002 Magglio Ordonez-RF-2(-1)e4 - .320/.381/.597, 47 Doubles, 38 HRs Would be a nice add for the White Sox.
14. 1962 Floyd Robinson - .312 / .384 /.475 45 Doubles, 109 RBIs; 10th in MVP voting; another nice Chisox postWW2 add
15. 1979 Jim Kern- RP- TEX: https://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/p ... /1670/1/70
16. 1914 Ray Caldwell SP/RP -NYY His best season 18-9, 1.94 ERA .958 WHIP. 5 HR in 213 IP
17. 2000 Andruw Jones, RHB, Braves, CF 1(-3)e2 .303 36 104 .366 .541 .907 21 SBs. Career highs in HITS, BA, OBP, TB, PA and 2nd career highs for SLG, OPS & OPS+. Gold Glove winner. A true 5 tool player. In game injury only.
18.1899 Roy Thomas, LHB, Phil's, Rookie Year, he was a great Centerfielder in the early years of baseball. He was much betterthan his representative card, an excellent fielder with a very good arm, hopefully better than a 4(-2) that his card reflects. Lots of errors in his 1st year, but lots of hits and high OBP. Slashed .325/.457/.362 with 42 stolen bases.
19.1889 Fred Carroll C, OF, 1b Pittsburgh NL- NO cards in set. BA: .330 OBP: 486 OPS:970 Should be a great leadoff card. 21 doubles 11Triples in 318 ABs 414 PAs.
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 3:56 pm

Andy/anyone - do you have defensive stats at C for Fred Carroll nominated above?
I have 1889 nominated but if you could also look at 1887 that would be great.

Thank you

Salty
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 4:31 pm

Salty wrote:Andy/anyone - do you have defensive stats at C for Fred Carroll nominated above?
I have 1889 nominated but if you could also look at 1887 that would be great.

Thank you

Salty


1889
C-4(+1)e16, T-20, pb-20

1887
C-4(+4)e16, T-20, pb-20

He could play 1b either year and has OF ratings, but not really playable there.
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Re: 20.1 Nominations are Open!

PostWed Nov 20, 2019 4:59 pm

defensive ratings do get normalized, which can help somewhat. For comparison, what is King Kelly's actual 1886 card? It was normalized in ATG to C 3(-2)13
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