Strat-O-Matic Baseball 365

Here are the results of the 1st round of voting, top 30 and ties have been voted in. Total was 31 players led by Miguel Cabrera'13. Numbers below represent Total Votes and Final Rank.
Cabrera Miguel 2013 3B DET 58 1
Parker Dave 1978 RF PIT 47 2
Scherzer Max 2013 SP DET 47 2
Trout Mike 2013 CF ANG 47 2
Harper Bryce 2015 OF EXPOS/NAT 46 5
Fingers Rollie 1972 RP A's 45 6
Hisle Larry 1978 OF MIL 45 6
Ramirez Hanley 2009 SS FLA 45 6
Foxx Jimmie 1938 1B PreWar/RSX 44 9
Hamilton Josh 2010 OF TEX 43 10
Delahanty Ed 1899 OF DB/PHI 42 11
Horlen Joe 1964 SP PostWar/CHX 42 11
Murphy Dale 1983 CF BRV 42 11
Tejada Miguel 2002 SS A's 42 11
Williams Ken 1922 OF BAL/Browns 42 11
Johnson Howard 1989 3B NYM 41 16
Munson Thurman 1977 C NYY 41 16
Price David 2012 SP TB 41 16
Schoendienst Red 1953 2B STL 41 16
Varitek Jason 2004 C RSX 41 16
Kent Jeff 2000 2B GIA 40 21
Morris Jack 1986 SP DET 40 21
Adcock Joe 1956 1B PostWar/BRV 39 23
Dye Jermaine 2000 RF KCR 39 23
Hunter Catfish 1975 SP NYY 39 23
Lezcano Sixto 1979 RF MIL 39 23
Soriano Alfonso 2006 LF EXP/NAT 39 23
Thome Jim 2002 1B CLV 39 23
Votto Joey 2010 1B CIN 39 23
Greinke Zack 2015 SP EXP/DOD 38 30
Konerko Paul 2005 1B CHW 38 30

Due to our limit of 40 players per poll for round 2 I need to round down to number votes and ties that produces a number as close to 40 as possible without going over. That gives us 34 players to vote 19 IN, those players are...
Arrieta Jake 2015 SP EXP/CHC 37 31
Brouthers Dan 1886 1B DB/DET 37 31
Colavito Rocky 1958 RF 1B CLV 37 31
Kiner Ralph 1951 LF 1B PostWar/PIT 37 31
Lidge Brad 2004 RP EXP/HOU 37 31
McGriff Fred 1992 1B SDP 37 31
Mussina Mike 1995 SP BAL 37 31
Peavy Jake 2007 SP SDP 37 31
Putz JJ 2007 RP SEA 37 31
Buckner Bill 1980 1B CHC 36 41
McDowell Sam 1965 SP PostWar/CLV 36 41
Vernon Mickey 1946 1B WSH/MIN 36 41
Bichette Dante 1995 OF COL 35 44
Bottomley Jim 1928 1B STL 35 44
Fothergill Bob 'Fats' 1927 LF DET 35 44
Joost Eddie 1949 SS A's 35 44
Leiter Al 1998 SP NYM 35 44
Sale Chris 2014 SP CHW 35 44
Utley Chase 2008 2B PHI 35 44
Anderson Garrett 2003 LF ANG 34 51
Braun Ryan 2011 LF MIL 34 51
Farrell Turk 1963 SP HOU 34 51
Hunt Ron 1971 2B EXPOS/NAT 34 51
Johnson Randy 1995 SP SEA 34 51
Balfour Grant 2008 RP TB 33 56
Dotel Octavio 2002 RP HOU 33 56
Law Vern 1965 SP PIT 33 56
Lemon Chet 1979 CF CHW 33 56
Nevin Phil 2001 3B SDP 33 56
Oswalt Roy 2006 SP HOU 33 56
Runnels Pete 1958 1B 2B RSX 33 56
Stennett Rennie 1977 2B PIT 33 56
Tannehill Jesse 1902 SP DB/PIT 33 56
Finley Steve 1996 CF SDP 32 65

The next grouping was a group of 9 players at 31 votes. I will post the voting totals for all players shortly, getting the poll out first.

Poll will be created shortly.
Rosie

Cabrera's Triple Crown league was in 2012.

I would suggest people consider great players who don't have cards---Chris Sale---but it looks we did good here! And the new kids on the block. How Much are Trout and Harper gonna be???

I hope we did the equitably enough, as I did figure we'd just have another round, rather than.....31 through?

Anyways, thanks Rosie and everybody else

nels52 wrote:Cabrera's Triple Crown league was in 2012.

I would suggest people consider great players who don't have cards---Chris Sale---but it looks we did good here! And the new kids on the block. How Much are Trout and Harper gonna be???

I hope we did the equitably enough, as I did figure we'd just have another round, rather than.....31 through?

Anyways, thanks Rosie and everybody else

My mistake on Cabrera, his year nominated was 2013.

results...last numbers are votes and rank
Cabrera Miguel 2013 3B DET 58 1
Parker Dave 1978 RF PIT 47 2
Scherzer Max 2013 SP DET 47 2
Trout Mike 2013 CF ANG 47 2
Harper Bryce 2015 OF EXPOS/NAT 46 5
Fingers Rollie 1972 RP A's 45 6
Hisle Larry 1978 OF MIL 45 6
Ramirez Hanley 2009 SS FLA 45 6
Foxx Jimmie 1938 1B PreWar/RSX 44 9
Hamilton Josh 2010 OF TEX 43 10
Delahanty Ed 1899 OF DB/PHI 42 11
Horlen Joe 1964 SP PostWar/CHX 42 11
Murphy Dale 1983 CF BRV 42 11
Tejada Miguel 2002 SS A's 42 11
Williams Ken 1922 OF BAL/Browns 42 11
Johnson Howard 1989 3B NYM 41 16
Munson Thurman 1977 C NYY 41 16
Price David 2012 SP TB 41 16
Schoendienst Red 1953 2B STL 41 16
Varitek Jason 2004 C RSX 41 16
Kent Jeff 2000 2B GIA 40 21
Morris Jack 1986 SP DET 40 21
Adcock Joe 1956 1B PostWar/BRV 39 23
Dye Jermaine 2000 RF KCR 39 23
Hunter Catfish 1975 SP NYY 39 23
Lezcano Sixto 1979 RF MIL 39 23
Soriano Alfonso 2006 LF EXP/NAT 39 23
Thome Jim 2002 1B CLV 39 23
Votto Joey 2010 1B CIN 39 23
Greinke Zack 2015 SP EXP/DOD 38 30
Konerko Paul 2005 1B CHW 38 30
Arrieta Jake 2015 SP EXP/CHC 37 31
Brouthers Dan 1886 1B DB/DET 37 31
Colavito Rocky 1958 RF 1B CLV 37 31
Kiner Ralph 1951 LF 1B PostWar/PIT 37 31
Lidge Brad 2004 RP EXP/HOU 37 31
McGriff Fred 1992 1B SDP 37 31
Mussina Mike 1995 SP BAL 37 31
Peavy Jake 2007 SP SDP 37 31
Putz JJ 2007 RP SEA 37 31
Buckner Bill 1980 1B CHC 36 41
McDowell Sam 1965 SP PostWar/CLV 36 41
Vernon Mickey 1946 1B WSH/MIN 36 41
Bichette Dante 1995 OF COL 35 44
Bottomley Jim 1928 1B STL 35 44
Fothergill Bob 'Fats' 1927 LF DET 35 44
Joost Eddie 1949 SS A's 35 44
Leiter Al 1998 SP NYM 35 44
Sale Chris 2014 SP CHW 35 44
Utley Chase 2008 2B PHI 35 44
Anderson Garrett 2003 LF ANG 34 51
Braun Ryan 2011 LF MIL 34 51
Farrell Turk 1963 SP HOU 34 51
Hunt Ron 1971 2B EXPOS/NAT 34 51
Johnson Randy 1995 SP SEA 34 51
Balfour Grant 2008 RP TB 33 56
Dotel Octavio 2002 RP HOU 33 56
Law Vern 1965 SP PIT 33 56
Lemon Chet 1979 CF CHW 33 56
Nevin Phil 2001 3B SDP 33 56
Oswalt Roy 2006 SP HOU 33 56
Runnels Pete 1958 1B 2B RSX 33 56
Stennett Rennie 1977 2B PIT 33 56
Tannehill Jesse 1902 SP DB/PIT 33 56
Finley Steve 1996 CF SDP 32 65
Boone Ray 1956 2B PostWar/DET 31 66
Burkett Jesse 1896 OF DB/CLV 31 66
Castilla Vinny 1998 3B COL 31 66
Cravath Gavvy 1913 OF DB/PHI 31 66
Flick Elmer 1900 OF DB/PHI 31 66
Hernandez Felix 2014 SP SEA 31 66
Holiday Matt 2007 LF COL 31 66
Schmidt Jason 2003 SP GIA 31 66
Tolan Bobby 1970 RF CIN 31 66
Beltran Carlos 2003 CF EXP/KCR 30 75
Berkman Lance 2006 1B HOU 30 75
Braxton Garland 1928 SP WSH/MIN 30 75
Cerv Bob 1958 LF PostWar/KCA 30 75
DiMaggio Dom 1950 CF RSX 30 75
Goldschmidt Paul 2015 1B AZ 30 75
Grantham George 1929 1B 2B PIT 30 75
Williams Cy 1924 CF PHI 30 75
Carter Joe 1991 LF RF TOR 29 83
Dunn Adam 2004 1B LF CIN 29 83
Krukow Mike 1986 SP GIA 29 83
Mesa Jose 1995 RP CLV 29 83
Nixon Trot 2003 RF RSX 29 83
Pettitte Andy 1997 SP NYY 29 83
Willis Dontrelle 2005 SP FLA 29 83
Hidalgo Richard 2000 OF HOU 28 90
Nixon Otis 1991 OF BRV 28 90
Rogell Billy 1933 SS PreWar/DET 28 90
Anson Cap 1884 1B DB/CHC 27 93
Betancourt Rafael 2007 RP CLV 27 93
Davis Willie 1971 CF DOD 27 93
Figgins Chone 2009 3B ANG 27 93
Hahn Noodles 1902 SP CIN 27 93
Hentgen Pat 1996 SP TOR 27 93
Hudson Orlando 2007 2B AZ 27 93
Longoria Evan 2009 2B TB 27 93
Potter Nels 1945 SP BAL/Browns 27 93
Sauer Hank 1952 LF 1B CHC 27 93
Carpenter Chris 2005 SP STL 26 103
Gagne Greg 1991 SS WSH/MIN 26 103
Harvey Matt 2013 SP NYM 26 103
Meusel Bob 1925 LF PreWar/NYY 26 103
Pascual Camilo 1959 SP WSH/MIN 26 103
Crawford Carl 2010 LF TB 25 108
Falk Bibb 1926 LF CHW 25 108
Montgomery Jeff 1992 RP KCR 25 108
Burns George H 1926 1B CLV 24 111
Castillo Luis 2003 2B FLA 24 111
Gubicza Mark 1988 SP KCR 24 111
Hamels Cole 2008 SP PHI 24 111
Pena Carlos 2007 1B TB 24 111
Pierzynski AJ 2006 C CHW 24 111
Rizzo Johnny 1938 LF PreWar/PIT 24 111
Vina Fernando 1998 2B MIL 24 111
Webb Brandon 2006 SP AZ 24 111
Davis George 1897 SS DB/GIA 23 120
Greer Rusty 1997 OF TEX 23 120
Hudson Tim 2003 SP A's 23 120
Phillips Brandon 2011 2B CIN 23 120
Radcliff Rip 1940 LF RF PreWar/SLB 23 120
Vazquez Javier 2003 SP EXPOS/NAT 23 120
Wells Vernon 2003 CF TOR 23 120
Young Michael 2008 SS TEX 23 120
Zambrano Carlos 2005 SP CHC 23 120
Zimmerman Ryan 2010 3B EXPOS/NAT 23 120
Judnich Wally 1940 OF BAL/Browns 22 130
Kim Byung-Hyun 2002 RP AZ 22 130
Lee Derek 2003 1B FLA 22 130
Ryan BJ 2005 RP BAL 22 130
Bay Jason 2005 LF PIT 21 134
Chapman Ben 1931 LF RF PreWar/NYY 21 134
Ellis Mark 2005 2B A's 21 134
Giles Marcus 2003 2B BRV 21 134
Hunter Torii 2007 CF WSH/MIN 21 134
Klesko Ryan 1999 1B LF BRV 21 134
Lowell Mike 2007 3B RSX 21 134
Sweeney Mike 2000 1B KCR 21 134
Vidro Jose 2002 2b/SS EXPOS/NAT 21 134
DeJesus Ivan 1978 SS CHC 20 143
Jimenez Ubaldo 2010 SP COL 20 143
Jordan Brian 1998 OF STL 20 143
Martinez Ramon 1990 SP DOD 20 143
Melton Cliff 1937 SP PreWar/GIA 20 143
Wohlers Mark 1995 RP BRV 20 143
Donnelly Brendan 2003 RP ANG 18 149
Vizquel Omar 1992 SS SEA 18 149
Lee Bill C. 1938 SP CHC 17 151
Lockman Whitey 1952 1B Postwar/GIA 17 151
Martinez Tino 1997 1B NYY 17 151
Karros Eric 1995 1B DOD 16 154
Lewis Buddy 1939 3B WSH/MIN 16 154
Ibanez Raul 2006 OF SEA 15 156
Rogers Kenny 1995 SP TEX 15 156
Garcia Damaso 1982 2B TOR 14 158
Johjima Kenji 2006 C SEA 14 158
Casey Hugh 1942 RP DOD 13 160

Rosie2167 wrote:

nels52 wrote:Cabrera's Triple Crown league was in 2012.

I would suggest people consider great players who don't have cards---Chris Sale---but it looks we did good here! And the new kids on the block. How Much are Trout and Harper gonna be???

I hope we did the equitably enough, as I did figure we'd just have another round, rather than.....31 through?

Anyways, thanks Rosie and everybody else

My mistake on Cabrera, his year nominated was 2013.

There was no mistake there. Speaking for the Tigers' nominating team, the 2012 triple crown year was nice, but the 2013 year was even better!

tcochran wrote:

Rosie2167 wrote:

nels52 wrote:Cabrera's Triple Crown league was in 2012.

I would suggest people consider great players who don't have cards---Chris Sale---but it looks we did good here! And the new kids on the block. How Much are Trout and Harper gonna be???

I hope we did the equitably enough, as I did figure we'd just have another round, rather than.....31 through?

Anyways, thanks Rosie and everybody else

My mistake on Cabrera, his year nominated was 2013.

There was no mistake there. Speaking for the Tigers' nominating team, the 2012 triple crown year was nice, but the 2013 year was even better!

lol...the mistake was me tagging 2013 his triple crown yr.

The following are cards that need to be included. I see how the voting is going and I see that players who have multiply cards are going to get another while some of the below players have NONE or one that is NOT their BEST/Better season which is deserving.

MVP Cards - ALL need to be included.
Jim Bottomly - Best Year
Ryan Braun - NO Card

Cy Young - ALL need to be included.
Jake Peavy - NO Card

NO Cards
Garrett Anderson
Grant Balfour
Dante Bichette
Steve Finley
Bob Fothergill
Phil Nevin

BEST/Better Season Upgrade
Dan Brouthers
Bill Buckner
Chet Lemon
Fred McGriff
Pete Runnels
Rennie Stennett
Mickey Vernon

Do we REALLY need another of the following when the above either have NO cards or NOT their BEST!
Rocky Colavito - Has 2 cards and this will be 3. Yes it is a better card.
Randy Johnson - Same here. 2 cards become 3.
Eddie Joost - yes he is needed but he already has 2 cards. Next time we vote him in. We've gone this long without his better card what is another FEW months? In the scheme of things it's really no time at all.
Ralph Kiner - See comments of Johnson and Joost.
Sam Mcdowell - See KIner comment. Yes it's an AWESOME season indeed.

I do like that the SOM Community got involved and I hope we ALL can keep this process moving forward, I have enjoyed it greatly. The choices for the voting made me wish that SOM would have just included the WHOLE lot.

A BIG Thank You to Rosie for putting this ALL together.

Not sure I agree with the logic of the last post. Arguing for another McGriff card vs Joost for example. Joost gets a major upgrade if he gets in. McGriff is like Eddie Murray, he pretty much had the same season every year for years. Finley had one decent year and Bichette was just Coors muscle. Don't think those cards would get much play outside of franchise leagues unless they were very attractively priced. McDowell on the other hand has a very unique card that will get plenty of play. On the other hand, Lemon and Johnson probably should wait until after some of the guys with no cards get in. Just my two cents.

Bruce, the logic is simple. Lets try to get players in with NO cards and Upgrades for players with 1 card. I have seen posts complaining that PAST MVP and Cy Young winners should be included. Maybe NOT some of the last few year winners. But that is up for debate. Players with 2 cards are about to become 3. What, those can't wait for the next round to be voted in? Yes they would they be GREAT adds NOW! But who do we blame? SOM for NOT just adding ALL of them! Whatever the final 50 are I'm ALL-IN and looking forward to the next round!

Frank, I get your logic. I wasn't implying that your argument was not logical, I'm just not sure that your criterion yields the best additions. We clearly agree that all the cards should be included and that SOM's miserliness is at fault.

I don't see the point of another Randy Johnson card, or Lemon for that matter. But a Joost upgrade is like the Eddie Stanky upgrade we got, a game changer for that player. And with Joost he was a top 15 MVP vote getter for about five years, and his two cards don't at all reflect what he did. The McDowell card will have a major impact on the game. Colavito possibly as well, though not as dramatically. In the case of players that already have two cards, adding a third that will potentially change who we normally draft for our teams is more important to me than adding a player with no cards that may not get used much, if at all. And I think that is the key point on which we differ.

I also did vote for 12 of the 17 guys you advocated for in your post. I also voted for Leiter and Farrell who met your criteria for no cards or only one card but who weren't on your list.