20.3 Results

Greetings,

Here are the results of our 20.3 poll.

To be sent to Strat as the 20.3 add (along with 77 Simmons and Soderholm)
1928 Garland Braxton WAS SP 51
1936 Hal Trosky, Indians, 1B 48
1951 Yogi Berra NYY C 48
1933 Mickey Cochrane PHA C 46
1959 Al Kaline Detroit OF 42
1942 Johnny Vander Meer CIN SP 41
1950 Dom DiMaggio BOS CF 41
1962 Mickey Mantle NYY CF/RF 40
1963 Earl Battey, Twins, C 40
1970 Cito Gaston, Padres, CF 40
1977 Andre Thornton CLE 1B 40
1971 Don Wilson HOU SP 39
1986 Jesse Barfield, Blue Jays, RF/CF 39
1993 Alex Fernandez, CWS SP 39
1997 Darryl Kile HOU SP 39
1973 Steve Rogers, Expos SP 38
2004 Hideki Matsui, NYY LF 38
1896 Cupid Childs 2b 37
1921 Austin McHenry StL OF 37
1979 John Wockenfuss DET C/1B/OF 37
2003 Esteban Loaiza CWS SP 36
1935 Billy Rogell, DET SS 35
2010 Hong-Chih Kuo LAN LRP 35

To be included in the 20.4 add:
1937 Cliff Melton NYG SP 35
1914 Bill Doak, SP 35

To be included in the 20.4 poll:
1933 Wally Berger Braves OF 33
2001 Russ Ortiz SF SP 30
1904 Rube Waddell SP 29
1959 Charlie Neal 2B 27
1983 Bob Horner, Braves 3B 27
2002 Brendan Donnelly ANA RP 27
2004 Sean Casey Reds 1B 27
2004 Vladimir Guerrero - LAA RF 27
1974 Bart Johnson CWS SP 23

Missed the cut:
1954 Granny Hamner 2B 22
1982 Damaso Garcia, Blue Jays 2B 22
2016 Jean Segura Ari 2B/SS 22
1969 Mack Jones - MON LF 21
1977 Bob Watson HOU 1B 21
2008 Carlos Quentin CWS OF 21
1930 Adam Comorosky OF 18
1974 Don Money. Mil 3B 17
2012 Joey Votto Cin 1B 17
2001Bob Wickman CLE RP 16
1973 Davey May Brewers CF 15
2005 Ken Griffey Jr. Cin CF 14
1894 Lave Cross 3B 12
2001 Corey Koskie MIN 3B 12
1969 Ernie Banks CHC 1B 11
1996 Dave Nilsson - Brewers 1B, OF 10

Maybe we should just ask for every Al Kaline year. At the rate we are going that should happen pretty soon anyway!

Gran and Damaso. Soooo close...

Let's see....So whenever the 20.3 card addition actually takes place, we will have six Kaline cards, five Mantles, four Troskys, and three Cochranes, Vander Meers & Dom Dimags.

I know we currently have five Cobbs, five Ruths (including the SP card), five Musials, five Ted Williams, five Willie Mays, and five Barry Bonds.

When 20.3 comes in, Kaline will tie with Hank Aaron as the holder of six cards.

So...does anyone know if any other player has six cards or more—or will Kaline share honors with Aaron as the multi-card record-holder when the new add occurs?

Mark McGwire also has 6 cards.

Mark McGwire also has 6 cards.

Thanks! And I think that Druid is leaning toward a point worth pondering.

Would there be any support for capping the number of cards for any given player at 6?

Six might seem like an arbitrary limit, but, since Aaron had 23 seasons, we now have more than 25% of his total career represented in SOM, at a wide variety of prices. Kaline played in 22 seasons. Again, more than a quarter of Al's seasons will soon be represented, at a range of price points. McGwire played in 16 seasons, but only 11 of these can be considered full seasons, so, arguably, we have an even more substantial representation of his total output.

A limit to six seasons wouldn't penalize any current players. But such a limit would provide a framework for future elections. For example, if someone wants to nominate a new Cobb, Ruth, Bonds, Williams, or Musial card, they might want to make a case for why this is the last, best card we should choose.

Perhaps more important, such a limit would give other players a chance who now have no cards at all.

We should have nominations for players without cards

Mark McGwire also has 6 cards.

Thanks! And I think that Druid is leaning toward a point worth pondering.

Would there be any support for capping the number of cards for any given player at 6?

Six might seem like an arbitrary limit, but, since Aaron had 23 seasons, we now have more than 25% of his total career represented in SOM, at a wide variety of prices. Kaline played in 22 seasons. Again, more than a quarter of Al's seasons will soon be represented, at a range of price points. McGwire played in 16 seasons, but only 11 of these can be considered full seasons, so, arguably, we have an even more substantial representation of his total output.

A limit to six seasons wouldn't penalize any current players. But such a limit would provide a framework for future elections. For example, if someone wants to nominate a new Cobb, Ruth, Bonds, Williams, or Musial card, they might want to make a case for why this is the last, best card we should choose.

Perhaps more important, such a limit would give other players a chance who now have no cards at all.

I'm good with some type of a cap. It's something I've been thinking about for a while now. Six seems perfectly reasonable to me anyway.

We should have nominations for players without cards

11 of the 25 voted in have no card in the set. That's a pretty good percentage.........

db--2 cards
pre--7 cards
post--5 cards
exp--11 cards

I'm good with some type of a cap. It's something I've been thinking about for a while now. Six seems perfectly reasonable to me anyway.

I'm glad that some kind of cap sounds good to you. The main argument for a cap of six is that this seems that no current player has more than six cards, so those players won't need to lose cards--and cards can still be added for those who now have four or five, but these adds won't go on indefinitely.