NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

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Which middle infielder would you like to see the most ?

Yadier Mollina
2
6%
Matt Carpenter
9
26%
Robinson Cano
7
20%
Troy Tulowitzki
9
26%
Jean Segura
8
23%
 
Total votes : 35

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JayW527

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Re: NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

PostThu Feb 20, 2014 10:21 pm

My quick thoughts on the difference between unleasehd batters and unleashed pitchers.

Given the following numbers off the top of my head, but in the ballpark of reality:

A batter's card is used roughly 4 times a game.

A starting pitcher's card is used roughly 24 times a game.

A relief pitcher in Strat can easily pitch 3 innings so lets say 15 times a game

A relief pitcher used a lot more than real baseball can pitch around 6 inning so that card would be used 20 times a game.

Therefore:

A batter offensively impacts his teams ability to score runs say 1/9 of the time so that is about 11% of each game.

compared to a pitcher

who impacts the opponents teams ability to score runs about 24/36 for a starter = 67% or a good Strat reliever 42% or a Strat Dominant used like mad reliever = 56% of a game.

Conclusion:

An unleashed pitcher would impact the result of a game a lot more than an unleashed Batter.

An unleashed batter will play in every game and offensively effecting his teams offense around 11% and an unleashed relief pitcher can appear in about 3 out of 4 games effecting the opponent's offense around 50%

So batter's effect around 11% (100% * 11%) and a relief pitcher's effect around 38% (roughly 75% * 50%) for each game of the season.

This is why unleashed relief pitchers are much different than unleashed batters in Strat.

-Jay (Would love Strat to make it that once a player goes over his PA or IP totals then a generic "bad" card is used) in Hatfield PA
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Re: NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

PostThu Feb 20, 2014 10:50 pm

JayW527 wrote:My quick thoughts on the difference between unleasehd batters and unleashed pitchers.

Given the following numbers off the top of my head, but in the ballpark of reality:

A batter's card is used roughly 4 times a game.

A starting pitcher's card is used roughly 24 times a game.

A relief pitcher in Strat can easily pitch 3 innings so lets say 15 times a game

A relief pitcher used a lot more than real baseball can pitch around 6 inning so that card would be used 20 times a game.

Therefore:

A batter offensively impacts his teams ability to score runs say 1/9 of the time so that is about 11% of each game.

compared to a pitcher

who impacts the opponents teams ability to score runs about 24/36 for a starter = 67% or a good Strat reliever 42% or a Strat Dominant used like mad reliever = 56% of a game.

Conclusion:

An unleashed pitcher would impact the result of a game a lot more than an unleashed Batter.

An unleashed batter will play in every game and offensively effecting his teams offense around 11% and an unleashed relief pitcher can appear in about 3 out of 4 games effecting the opponent's offense around 50%

So batter's effect around 11% (100% * 11%) and a relief pitcher's effect around 38% (roughly 75% * 50%) for each game of the season.

This is why unleashed relief pitchers are much different than unleashed batters in Strat.

-Jay (Would love Strat to make it that once a player goes over his PA or IP totals then a generic "bad" card is used) in Hatfield PA



Not only that, but it lends even more creedence to my argument that using a rp that had 60-80 ip in real life for over 200+ innings squews the game more than the Unleashed batters do.

Nice post :D
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Re: NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

PostThu Feb 20, 2014 11:26 pm

Ninersphan wrote:
JayW527 wrote:My quick thoughts on the difference between unleasehd batters and unleashed pitchers.

Given the following numbers off the top of my head, but in the ballpark of reality:

A batter's card is used roughly 4 times a game.

A starting pitcher's card is used roughly 24 times a game.

A relief pitcher in Strat can easily pitch 3 innings so lets say 15 times a game

A relief pitcher used a lot more than real baseball can pitch around 6 inning so that card would be used 20 times a game.

Therefore:

A batter offensively impacts his teams ability to score runs say 1/9 of the time so that is about 11% of each game.

compared to a pitcher

who impacts the opponents teams ability to score runs about 24/36 for a starter = 67% or a good Strat reliever 42% or a Strat Dominant used like mad reliever = 56% of a game.

Conclusion:

An unleashed pitcher would impact the result of a game a lot more than an unleashed Batter.

An unleashed batter will play in every game and offensively effecting his teams offense around 11% and an unleashed relief pitcher can appear in about 3 out of 4 games effecting the opponent's offense around 50%

So batter's effect around 11% (100% * 11%) and a relief pitcher's effect around 38% (roughly 75% * 50%) for each game of the season.

This is why unleashed relief pitchers are much different than unleashed batters in Strat.

-Jay (Would love Strat to make it that once a player goes over his PA or IP totals then a generic "bad" card is used) in Hatfield PA



Not only that, but it lends even more creedence to my argument that using a rp that had 60-80 ip in real life for over 200+ innings squews the game more than the Unleashed batters do.

Nice post :D


You're funny, Ninersphan......you just can't let it go, but I guess we're back at it again. First of all, although the above poster's post was thoughtful and analytical, it erroneously equated percentage of playing time with value of playing time...they're not the same thing. Just because a batter contributes a less percentage of the game than a starting pitcher or relief pitcher does NOT mean he contributes a less percentage of value to his team than the starting pitcher or relief pitcher; he, in fact, usually contributes more. This is why voters usually prefer position players over pitchers in MVP voting. So not only does the above post not accurately show that an unleashed pitcher would have greater "impact' on his team than an unleashed player, the above post in no way lends any credence to your argument that a "rp that had 60-80 ip in real life for over 200+ innings squews (sic) the game more than the Unleashed batters do."

Thanks for trying though... :D
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Re: NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

PostThu Feb 20, 2014 11:31 pm

Who can't let it go??? ;)

My post wasn't directed at you.
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Re: NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

PostThu Feb 20, 2014 11:36 pm

Ninersphan wrote:Who can't let it go??? ;)

My post wasn't directed at you.


You can't let go of trying to make your argument, and I never said it was directed at me. Although I did notice you didnt
address my argument.......i look forward to your doing so... ;)
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Re: NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

PostThu Feb 20, 2014 11:39 pm

l.strether wrote:
Ninersphan wrote:Who can't let it go??? ;)

My post wasn't directed at you.


You can't let go of trying to make your argument, and I never said it was directed at me. Although I did notice you didnt
address my argument.......i look forward to your doing so... ;)



Sorry I'm done.
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Re: NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

PostThu Feb 20, 2014 11:43 pm

That's cool; I didn't think you could counter it. So, we'll let my post be the final say on the matter until someone else comes along to take up (either) mantle and continue the debate.
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Re: NEW SET : Card previews Catcher & SS & 2B ?

PostFri Feb 21, 2014 12:03 am

l.strether wrote:That's cool; I didn't think you could counter it. So, we'll let my post be the final say on the matter until someone else comes along to take up (either) mantle and continue the debate.



I could, I just choose not to.
You think you are right, I think I am right, there's really no point in continuing.

I've been pretty emphatic, that you aren't going to change my mind and clearly, the same can be said for me, trying to change yours.
A wise man ( Einstien, I believe) once said, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, or something to that effect.

I really don't need to go insane. :D
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