Yes, another HAL story

I just learned another quirk (not bug) last night in a playoff game. I had my starting catcher set to "rem for D sub" checked. My backup catcher (the D dude) got hurt but HAL still replaced the starting catcher (a 4 (-1) t6) with a LF, catcher rating 5 (+5) T1-20, with a lead in the 7th. Funny thing : in a key moment Ellsbury (on my opponent's team) gets caught stealing 1 - 19 chance.

Yeah, HAL's definition of "defensive" sub is a rather loose one, near as I can tell, it's anyone on the bench in site of the manager.

I just learned another quirk (not bug) last night in a playoff game. I had my starting catcher set to "rem for D sub" checked. My backup catcher (the D dude) got hurt but HAL still replaced the starting catcher (a 4 (-1) t6) with a LF, catcher rating 5 (+5) T1-20, with a lead in the 7th. Funny thing : in a key moment Ellsbury (on my opponent's team) gets caught stealing 1 - 19 chance.

Yeah, HAL's definition of "defensive" sub is a rather loose one, near as I can tell, it's anyone on the bench in site of the manager.

A really good example of inconsistent game engine logic. The online game ignores injuries to the catcher if there are no other uninjured catchers on the roster, but it doesn't consider the injury status of the other catchers on the roster for defensive substitution. A frustrating quirk, I agree.

I bet just about everyone has been burned by this. What I do now is just list the defensive catcher on the strategy page, and NEVER check "remove for D" on the hitting pref page(for catchers, I still use it for other positions). The remove for D on the hitters page is a powerful setting, and HAL will take that player out no matter what.

I bet just about everyone has been burned by this. What I do now is just list the defensive catcher on the strategy page, and NEVER check "remove for D" on the hitting pref page(for catchers, I still use it for other positions). The remove for D on the hitters page is a powerful setting, and HAL will take that player out no matter what.

STEVE!!!, great idea, will use that going forward

A really good example of inconsistent game engine logic.

I bet just about everyone has been burned by this. What I do now is just list the defensive catcher on the strategy page, and NEVER check "remove for D" on the hitting pref page(for catchers, I still use it for other positions). The remove for D on the hitters page is a powerful setting, and HAL will take that player out no matter what.

Yes, savvy management of one's inputs into HAL does lead to "his" taking our more desired actions. Figuring out the best way to "manage" HAL is an integral part of the game. Hal doesn't have "inconsistent game logic." He has the same multitude of possible reactions to the same multitude of possible inputs--such as "middle man"--that can lead to seemingly inconsistent actions.

As Steve showed, the player who better figures out HAL's unchanging tendencies will better manage HAL's management of his team. The player who despairs and doesn't do so will likely see similar undesired results.

guys , human managers always make the right moves- just ask pete carroll !

Funny I was talking to some SOM FB players in a online league we've been in forever. We could all see calling pass potentially in that situation. You know your opponent is keying lynch, calling run, etc., so MAYBE you try a pass. None of us debated whether to substitute Wilson or Lynch though.

I had one situation on a 2012 team that the "remove for defense" worked in my favor when it forced an out of position sub for one 3 game series.

I had both my CF (Span) and backup CF (Gywnn Jr.) injured, and my 3rd CF was Ciriaco--a 5e16 CF---going into the set I knew he was the guy forced to play CF all 3 games, so I checked the remove for defense setting---I actually had a decent set and Rios (a 2 RF) was put in CF (at a 3 rating I presume) with Snider going to RF for a defensive sub in the late innings.

I had one situation on a 2012 team that the "remove for defense" worked in my favor when it forced an out of position sub for one 3 game series.

I had both my CF (Span) and backup CF (Gywnn Jr.) injured, and my 3rd CF was Ciriaco--a 5e16 CF---going into the set I knew he was the guy forced to play CF all 3 games, so I checked the remove for defense setting---I actually had a decent set and Rios (a 2 RF) was put in CF (at a 3 rating I presume) with Snider going to RF for a defensive sub in the late innings.

Now THAT'S thinking outside the box! Well Done.