Unleashed - not happy with half of them

Only 21 games. That BA, OBP, SLG are probably all career highs never to be seen again. In 4 minor league seasons his highest BA was .283, highest OBP was .375, highest SLG was .514. A decent prospect but not spectacular. No reason he should end up with a better card than Bryce Harper and cost more. I see no reason to give him a card.

This is one of the things that plagues ATG is handful of totally unrealistic cards that put up insane numbers that player could not put up if they stayed in their prime for a century.

But this is the reason they have a regular and an unleashed set. Some people will want fluke unrealistic cards like this left out and some will want the card because they do not care about the name on the card or whether the card reflects anything close to real life as long as it is an insanely good card. With the unleashed set Strat is trying to make all sides happy. One of the things they have got right over the years.

I struggle with the concept of the unleashed players. Like Niners says - just price them accordingly and put them in. That's ok with an $80M cap but in keeper leagues with unlimited cap it doesn't play.

I'm not that much of a purist but in a keeper league that allows unleashed players do we want to see 73 pa Arancibia put up 60-70 home runs? I know it's a game but sometimes it's should be more about the good players than the how you play the game with fluke cards.

I guess my whole point was that SOM needs to put together some parameters for Unleashed. Last year, Unleashed players had 40, 50, 60 ABs. This year, 3 players have 100 ABs. Based on historical practices, guys who are in Keeper Leagues (I have 5 of them) and do Pre-Card drafts (I have 2 of them) should know what they are dealing with in advance.
Based on history of the game, it was very reasonable to assume that the 3 100AB guys would be carded. Now that they aren't, some managers have wasted draft picks!

I would be OK if SOM came out with a blanket statement that says something like "if a player has less than 110 ABs or less than 130 PAs, they could be ineligible for the regular game", or something of this nature.

Garcia has made it clear that he could enter these players into regular leagues on demand, so that is a cool offer, but inconvenient for him and us.

Kev

I think SOM is trying to please everyone with this and doing the best they can. If you don't want the fringe players join a leagues that doesn't use them..

Has anyone thought how the Daily365 game could change the way they do salaries slightly?... Think about it, a guy who had a fluke great year might be a little cheaper than the great player who had his normal great year.

I guess my whole point was that SOM needs to put together some parameters for Unleashed. Last year, Unleashed players had 40, 50, 60 ABs. This year, 3 players have 100 ABs. Based on historical practices, guys who are in Keeper Leagues (I have 5 of them) and do Pre-Card drafts (I have 2 of them) should know what they are dealing with in advance.
Based on history of the game, it was very reasonable to assume that the 3 100AB guys would be carded. Now that they aren't, some managers have wasted draft picks!

I would be OK if SOM came out with a blanket statement that says something like "if a player has less than 110 ABs or less than 130 PAs, they could be ineligible for the regular game", or something of this nature.

Garcia has made it clear that he could enter these players into regular leagues on demand, so that is a cool offer, but inconvenient for him and us.

Kev

I agree with you 100% Kev. It was a shock to me that guys with over 100 AB's would be unleashed. To me this changes the principle behind the unleashed set - it's now becoming like a form of sports strategy censureship - someone has too good of a part year (over 100 AB's) and he gets demoted from regular set to unleashed. I don't like this at all. As you said, Kev, this makes keeper leagues seem goofy (most keeper leagues exclude the unleashed cards), when you lose a player because his card was just "too good".

For full disclosure, I am in 7 keeper leagues. 2 use the unleashed set, 5 do not. I only have 1 player in 1 league that will be excluded because of this issue. It's the principle of it that bothers me so much - sports strategy censureship. I liked the way it was in prior years, when the unleashed players had under 100 AB's.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but I strongly disagree with players like Cory Seager being treated as unleashed. This issue will only become more annoying as the years go by, if they continue with this kind of arbitrary, flip a coin, approach to "which cards are just too good this year". And it will look foolish with hindsight, as (inevitably) some of those unleashed card players, like Seager, happen to have similarly good cards in future years.

Another by the way comment on this issue - this is partly due to the way MLB clubs operate these days, where they tend to not "let" star prospects start the season with the big club. If they end up being called up in August instead of June, they will be right back into the Cory Seager unleashed purgatory category.

Have they released the pitchers?

I guess my whole point was that SOM needs to put together some parameters for Unleashed. Last year, Unleashed players had 40, 50, 60 ABs. This year, 3 players have 100 ABs. Based on historical practices, guys who are in Keeper Leagues (I have 5 of them) and do Pre-Card drafts (I have 2 of them) should know what they are dealing with in advance.
Based on history of the game, it was very reasonable to assume that the 3 100AB guys would be carded. Now that they aren't, some managers have wasted draft picks!

I would be OK if SOM came out with a blanket statement that says something like "if a player has less than 110 ABs or less than 130 PAs, they could be ineligible for the regular game", or something of this nature.

Garcia has made it clear that he could enter these players into regular leagues on demand, so that is a cool offer, but inconvenient for him and us.

Kev

I agree with you 100% Kev. It was a shock to me that guys with over 100 AB's would be unleashed. To me this changes the principle behind the unleashed set - it's now becoming like a form of sports strategy censureship - someone has too good of a part year (over 100 AB's) and he gets demoted from regular set to unleashed. I don't like this at all. As you said, Kev, this makes keeper leagues seem goofy (most keeper leagues exclude the unleashed cards), when you lose a player because his card was just "too good".

For full disclosure, I am in 7 keeper leagues. 2 use the unleashed set, 5 do not. I only have 1 player in 1 league that will be excluded because of this issue. It's the principle of it that bothers me so much - sports strategy censureship. I liked the way it was in prior years, when the unleashed players had under 100 AB's.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but I strongly disagree with players like Cory Seager being treated as unleashed. This issue will only become more annoying as the years go by, if they continue with this kind of arbitrary, flip a coin, approach to "which cards are just too good this year". And it will look foolish with hindsight, as (inevitably) some of those unleashed card players, like Seager, happen to have similarly good cards in future years.

Another by the way comment on this issue - this is partly due to the way MLB clubs operate these days, where they tend to not "let" star prospects start the season with the big club. If they end up being called up in August instead of June, they will be right back into the Cory Seager unleashed purgatory category.

PREACH!!

Lets not forget the whole Unleashed debacle came about because of an egregious omission of Carlos Baerga in 2003 (or maybe 2004) who had over 200 AB's but was left out completely because his card was deemed "too good". Here's a guy that hit over .300 several years but because this was at the end of his career it was considered a fluke card.

Fluke's happen in baseball, it's part of the game. Leave 'em all in price them accordingly. With most league being 12 teams stats aren't realistic anyway. Four man rotations?? Who does that in MLB? No one but we can in Strat why is that unreality any different than a fluke guy leading a Strat league in HR's?? It's such a ridiculous double standard.

Just give us all the cards and get rid of Unleashed.

I guess my whole point was that SOM needs to put together some parameters for Unleashed. Last year, Unleashed players had 40, 50, 60 ABs. This year, 3 players have 100 ABs. Based on historical practices, guys who are in Keeper Leagues (I have 5 of them) and do Pre-Card drafts (I have 2 of them) should know what they are dealing with in advance.
Based on history of the game, it was very reasonable to assume that the 3 100AB guys would be carded. Now that they aren't, some managers have wasted draft picks!

I would be OK if SOM came out with a blanket statement that says something like "if a player has less than 110 ABs or less than 130 PAs, they could be ineligible for the regular game", or something of this nature.

Garcia has made it clear that he could enter these players into regular leagues on demand, so that is a cool offer, but inconvenient for him and us.

Kev

I agree with you 100% Kev. It was a shock to me that guys with over 100 AB's would be unleashed. To me this changes the principle behind the unleashed set - it's now becoming like a form of sports strategy censureship - someone has too good of a part year (over 100 AB's) and he gets demoted from regular set to unleashed. I don't like this at all. As you said, Kev, this makes keeper leagues seem goofy (most keeper leagues exclude the unleashed cards), when you lose a player because his card was just "too good".

For full disclosure, I am in 7 keeper leagues. 2 use the unleashed set, 5 do not. I only have 1 player in 1 league that will be excluded because of this issue. It's the principle of it that bothers me so much - sports strategy censureship. I liked the way it was in prior years, when the unleashed players had under 100 AB's.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but I strongly disagree with players like Cory Seager being treated as unleashed. This issue will only become more annoying as the years go by, if they continue with this kind of arbitrary, flip a coin, approach to "which cards are just too good this year". And it will look foolish with hindsight, as (inevitably) some of those unleashed card players, like Seager, happen to have similarly good cards in future years.

Another by the way comment on this issue - this is partly due to the way MLB clubs operate these days, where they tend to not "let" star prospects start the season with the big club. If they end up being called up in August instead of June, they will be right back into the Cory Seager unleashed purgatory category.

As always, Geoff said it better than I did. Well saud. It must be the Canadian schools that made you so smart.

Parker has put up 70 HR's in simulations...

Parker should not have a card at all.

There's no requirement to play in unleashed leagues. Personally, I like them -- this is a game, so the more game pieces, the merrier!

And besides, why would 70 HR for Parker be any more unreasonable than 200 IP for a super-reliever like a Wade Davis or a Jeff Manship? And that would be possible even in the leagues that are not unleashed...