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Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:20 pm
by maligned
In 2009 I predicted the Top 25 starting pitchers for Strat at the end of the season and correctly identified 22 of them, along with 8 of the top 10...nearly spot by spot. I did the same projection in 2010 and still ID'd most of the Top 25, but not as perfectly. I did not do the projection last year.

Below are the projections for 2012, with estimated $ values. These projections are based on ESPN's published Component ERA (ERC), a projection of what an ERA for a pitcher SHOULD be based on his raw data (since Strat cards are based on raw data, not final ERA). I then use ERC and adjust it for league, team defensive efficiency, and ballpark effects, before determining values and adjusting for stars(*) and endurance.

Some elements not included in these projections are R/L effects and out types (strikeout pitchers in pitchers' parks are over-penalized while 'contact' pitchers are under-penalized). Also, adjustments for park and defense are generalized, not specific to result-types.

Enjoy:

1 Kris Medlen ATL S7/R3 9.95M
2 Justin Verlander DET S7* 9.75
3 Clayton Kershaw LAD S7* 8.96
4 Brandon Beachy ATL S6 8.24
5 Jake Peavy CHW S7* 8.03
6 Gio Gonzalez WSH S6* 7.87
(Steve Johnson BAL S6/R3 7.30) 12 games, 4 starts, 38.1 inn.
7 David Price TB S7* 7.21
8 R.A. Dickey NYM S7* 6.85
9 Brett Anderson OAK S6 6.83
10 Kyle Lohse STL S6* 6.49
11 Matt Cain SF S7* 6.47
12 Mat Latos CIN S7* 6.45
13 Chris Tillman BAL S6 6.45
14 Johnny Cueto CIN S7* 6.37
15 Jered Weaver LAA S7 6.33
16 Cole Hamels PHI S7* 6.26
17 Chris Sale CHW S6 5.77
18 Cliff Lee PHI S7* 5.76
19 Brandon Morrow TOR S6 5.74
20 Zack Greinke LAA/MIL S7* 5.67
21 Hiroki Kuroda NYY S7* 5.37
22 Neftali Feliz TEX S6 5.36
23 Ted Lilly LAD S6 5.31
(Cory Luebke SD S6 5.30) 5 games, 5 starts, 31 inn.
24 Felipe Paulino KC S6 5.25
25 CC Sabathia NYY S7 5.22

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:29 pm
by Rant
Just curious, why include Anderson (35 IP, 6 starts) and not Johnson? Past history of success?

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:09 pm
by Ninersphan
I have one staff in one of my keepers with:

4 Beachy
9 Anderson
13 Tillman
14 Cueto
15 Weaver
19 Morrow

and Matt Harevey whom I guessing is just below these guys

Just wish my hitting was half as good :shock:

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:54 pm
by geekor
Most likely Johnson and Leabuke will just be R3 RP's in the set, sad to say.

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:29 pm
by Miamial
maligned wrote:In 2009 I predicted the Top 25 starting pitchers for Strat at the end of the season and correctly identified 22 of them, along with 8 of the top 10...nearly spot by spot. I did the same projection in 2010 and still ID'd most of the Top 25, but not as perfectly. I did not do the projection last year.

Below are the projections for 2012, with estimated $ values. These projections are based on ESPN's published Component ERA (ERC), a projection of what an ERA for a pitcher SHOULD be based on his raw data (since Strat cards are based on raw data, not final ERA). I then use ERC and adjust it for league, team defensive efficiency, and ballpark effects, before determining values and adjusting for stars(*) and endurance.

Some elements not included in these projections are R/L effects and out types (strikeout pitchers in pitchers' parks are over-penalized while 'contact' pitchers are under-penalized). Also, adjustments for park and defense are generalized, not specific to result-types.

Enjoy:

1 Kris Medlen ATL S7/R3 9.95M
2 Justin Verlander DET S7* 9.75
3 Clayton Kershaw LAD S7* 8.96
4 Brandon Beachy ATL S6 8.24
5 Jake Peavy CHW S7* 8.03
6 Gio Gonzalez WSH S6* 7.87
(Steve Johnson BAL S6/R3 7.30) 12 games, 4 starts, 38.1 inn.
7 David Price TB S7* 7.21
8 R.A. Dickey NYM S7* 6.85
9 Brett Anderson OAK S6 6.83
10 Kyle Lohse STL S6* 6.49
11 Matt Cain SF S7* 6.47
12 Mat Latos CIN S7* 6.45
13 Chris Tillman BAL S6 6.45
14 Johnny Cueto CIN S7* 6.37
15 Jered Weaver LAA S7 6.33
16 Cole Hamels PHI S7* 6.26
17 Chris Sale CHW S6 5.77
18 Cliff Lee PHI S7* 5.76
19 Brandon Morrow TOR S6 5.74
20 Zack Greinke LAA/MIL S7* 5.67
21 Hiroki Kuroda NYY S7* 5.37
22 Neftali Feliz TEX S6 5.36
23 Ted Lilly LAD S6 5.31
(Cory Luebke SD S6 5.30) 5 games, 5 starts, 31 inn.
24 Felipe Paulino KC S6 5.25
25 CC Sabathia NYY S7 5.22


you forget Strasburg. Nationals deserve to lose for putting him on ice.

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:00 pm
by maligned
Rant:
With the combination of Johnson's only 4 starts, potentially very expensive card, and no previous experience, I think there's a chance he gets an R2 or R3 card, but maybe not as a starter for the main set.

Miamial:
I didn't forget Strasburg or anyone else. He's an S6 with no star, pitching in the national league on a team with great defense. It's possible he could be as high as the 20th best starter's card, but not higher. I have him at about #35.

Ninersphan:
Right, Harvey's just a few slots outside this list.

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:17 pm
by Jerlins
Ninersphan wrote:I have one staff in one of my keepers with:

4 Beachy
9 Anderson
13 Tillman
14 Cueto
15 Weaver
19 Morrow

and Matt Harevey whom I guessing is just below these guys

Just wish my hitting was half as good :shock:


Better than mine with just 3, that being #'1-Medlen, #6 Gonzalez, and #25 Sabathia. However, I DO have hitting :P

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:20 pm
by TomSiebert
Hey, I'm really offended by that B&W GIF of the people being blown to bits and murdered. It's horrible. I don't know the context, I don't know what's going on, but I come to Strat to escape. I don't want to see real life horror. It's disgusting.

tws

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:59 pm
by The Turtle
Felix Hernandez?

Re: Projected Top 25 Starting Pitchers for 2012

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:04 pm
by rburgh
How about RP's? Aren't Street, Kimbrel, Chapman, and Rodney all going to have essentially clean cards?