THANK YOU KEITH OLBERMANN...

It's just something I've been saying to all my Yankee friends for his entire career...

Great job Keith.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2 ... B%2FSNMain

MR. EGOMANIAC OVERRATED JETER

Thanks for posting this, it's about time someone in the media actually said it. Most overrated player of this generation

Visick, this is a new side to you. You're always so laid back and even-tempered. Who knew Jetes was the key to triggering your dark side...

I'm split on this. I think Olbermann gets a lot right here. Jeter has been unduly adulated for many reasons: recent Yankee fans have had no other heroes, he's handsome, he's charming, and that 2001 ALDS flip play excessively marked him as preternaturally savvy. Olbermann also accurately used "new school" statistics to show he has never been an ace defender, and his egp has kept him from moving from SS as he should have done years ago.

On the flip side, he does have 260 hrs with a career line of .310/.377/.440, 12 seasons hitting over .300, and 12 seasons with an OBP over .370, so he still is a solid HOF shortstop...if not the Golden God many Yankee fans deem him to be.

Anyway, dude, Olberman did bring the Captain down to earth, and I'm glad you got some ownage over your smug (aren't all Yankee fans somewhat smug?) Yankee fans. Now you've got to get Olbermann to take down a Dodger or two.

Can't believe I agree with Olbermann for once!

(and that 2001 ALDS flip play)

You mean the play where he was out of position, in "No Man's Land"? Maybe he should have been near 2nd?


I just get really tired of players on pedestals. I applaud Olbermann on this.

Mr. ground ball, double play (Jeter) isn't even in my top 10 SS of all time.

Sure I'm a Mets fan. But any day of the week I'll take..

Banks, Wagner, Appling, Vaughn, Ozzie, Larkin, Yount, Cronin, Trammell and of course Cal. (who knew he couldn't play SS anymore)

(and that 2001 ALDS flip play)

You mean the play where he was out of position, in "No Man's Land"? Maybe he should have been near 2nd?


I just get really tired of players on pedestals. I applaud Olbermann on this.

Yes, that one. If any other runner besides Jeremy "The Genius" Giambi had been running, he would have slid on such a key play and all would have been forgotten. But Jeter lucks out on his hunch to move out of position, Gianbi--shock--makes a dumb play, and the Jeter myth-makers go wild...and they never stopped.

As I said above, I completely agree with you on Olbermann effectively debunking Jeter's undeserved deification. I'm in my 40's, so I know firsthand from my Yankee fan friends that they have tried to make Jeter their Mantle because they have no Mantle.

P.s. I like your "dark" side; it's humorous and well-aimed. Even nice guys like you get to have one once in awhile.

From looking at the stats for regular season career, Derek Jeter is not even Barry Larkin (don't get me wrong, I really liked Barry Larkin). But Cincinnati is not New York City, so, only baseball enthusiasts, Cincinnatians and his family are going to remember Barry Larkin while Derek Jeter is considered by some among the greats of MLB and Yankee history.

No offense, Jeter has been a HOF-worthy player, its just a little disappointing that guys who were as good (or better, imo) like Craig Biggio and Barry Larkin didn't and won't draw similar accolades for their careers.

Well said blue turtle...

From looking at the stats for regular season career, Derek Jeter is not even Barry Larkin (don't get me wrong, I really liked Barry Larkin). But Cincinnati is not New York City, so, only baseball enthusiasts, Cincinnatians and his family are going to remember Barry Larkin while Derek Jeter is considered by some among the greats of MLB and Yankee history.

No offense, Jeter has been a HOF-worthy player, its just a little disappointing that guys who were as good (or better, imo) like Craig Biggio and Barry Larkin didn't and won't draw similar accolades for their careers.

I'm a huge Larkin fan, and, as I noted above, I'm not a Jeter adulator. However, while Larkin was a superior defender, his stats are not superior to Jeter's. Here are their two lines:

HR RbI R BA/OBP/SLG SB

Jeter: 260 1307 1922 .310/.377/440 358

Larkin: 198 960 1329 .295/.371/.444 379

So, except for stolen bases, Jeter's offensive statistics were superior to Larkin's in these primary categories. Also, as I mentioned above, Jeter had 12 years with BA's over .300 and 12 years with OBP's over .370. Larkin, respectively, had 9 and 11. Jeter also had a superior 71.8 WAR to Larkin's 70.2

And, yes, Jeter has gotten undue adulation because he's a Yankee. However, that's an old story, and he's hardly the first. Phil Rizzuto has no place being in the HOF, and if he played for anyone but the Yankees, he wouldn't be. And all the players Olbermann mentioned like Nettles, Munson, Randolph, and O'Neill would all be footnotes if they hadn't played in pinstripes. They wouldn't be players even he cited for greatness. Until ESPN and other media stop looking at MLB as the Yankees, Red Sox, and everyone else, the Biggios, Larkins, Raines' and Kents will go overlooked.

So, we agree Jeter is not the god Yankee fans and some media make him out to be, but he is hardly the scrub some of his detractors portray him as.