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Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:48 pm
by Valen
I was at the game last night when Chi Chi Gonzalez almost became the first pitcher in the DH era to post 2 complete game shutouts within his first 4 starts. He of course missed giving up a HR in the 9th. That is according to what they were saying on radio on the post game show.

That raises a question in my mind. Does he still have a shot at the record? If he threw one next time out he would have 2 in his first 5 starts. Would that be a record or would it just tie a record?

Who has recorded their first 2 complete games in the fewest games to start a career?

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:58 pm
by ScumbyJr
Valen wrote:I was at the game last night when Chi Chi Gonzalez almost became the first pitcher in the DH era to post 2 complete game shutouts within his first 4 starts. He of course missed giving up a HR in the 9th. That is according to what they were saying on radio on the post game show.

That raises a question in my mind. Does he still have a shot at the record? If he threw one next time out he would have 2 in his first 5 starts. Would that be a record or would it just tie a record?

Who has recorded their first 2 complete games in the fewest games to start a career?


I'll guess Fernando with the 1981 Dodgers.

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:04 pm
by STEVE F
ScumbyJr wrote:
Valen wrote:I was at the game last night when Chi Chi Gonzalez almost became the first pitcher in the DH era to post 2 complete game shutouts within his first 4 starts. He of course missed giving up a HR in the 9th. That is according to what they were saying on radio on the post game show.

That raises a question in my mind. Does he still have a shot at the record? If he threw one next time out he would have 2 in his first 5 starts. Would that be a record or would it just tie a record?

Who has recorded their first 2 complete games in the fewest games to start a career?


I'll guess Fernando with the 1981 Dodgers.

His first two starts, but Fernando pitched in relief in September 1980. Not sure it that counts or not.

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:06 pm
by STEVE F
For the record, Fernando completed his first 8 starts, 5 of them shutouts.

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:40 am
by ScumbyJr
STEVE F wrote:For the record, Fernando completed his first 8 starts, 5 of them shutouts.


He was never the same after the midseason strike.

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:33 am
by keyzick
...and the quote was about DH-era, so they probably aren't considering Fernando's accomplishments (or anyone's) in the NL

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:27 pm
by l.strether
I believe National League (including Fernando's) teams competed, and still do compete, in the DH-era as well.

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:33 pm
by blue turtle
keyzick wrote:...and the quote was about DH-era, so they probably aren't considering Fernando's accomplishments (or anyone's) in the NL


It might be just a way of saying "since 1973" (or 1972...if I can't remember my kids' birthdays, I am not sure I am remembering the start of the DH-era.

If anything, I would say it is a means of disqualifying AL pitchers, since complete games, shutout or otherwise, are easier with a DH than without.

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:34 pm
by keyzick
My point being that the reference to the DH-era is probably because it is in regard to only AL pitchers...otherwise why else would they choose to trace it back only to 1973?

Re: Complete game shutout to begin career

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:37 pm
by l.strether
keyzick wrote:My point being that the reference to the DH-era is probably because it is in regard to only AL pitchers...otherwise why else would they choose to trace it back only to 1973?

Referring to the DH era is just that: referring to the era after the DH was first implemented. It in no way restricts teams in that era to AL ones. And they trace it back to 1973 because that was the advent of that era, once Blomberg "played" the position.