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Carrasco: The Super Starter & Reliever
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Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:00 pm
by Jeepdriver
Is this fair? Bad sportsmanship? Or, is it fair game?
Carlos Carrasco is pitching every fifth day for this team, plus being used in relief. In fact, he won 3 games in a 4 game span. Boxes below:
Game 40:
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/game/427164/237Game 42:
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/game/427164/249Game 43:
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/game/427164/254
Re: Carracso: The Super Starter & Reliever
Posted:
Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:10 pm
by ScumbyJr
Fair game. Carrasco went in game 43 at F0. He got away with it, but is going to start getting hammered.
Re: Carracso: The Super Starter & Reliever
Posted:
Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:14 pm
by l.strether
It's absolutely fair, excellent sportsmanship, and also pretty smart. He's just savvily playing by SOM's rules by which we all play. And even if he get's hammered the next game--which is far from guaranteed--the games Carrasco won would make it worth it.
Re: Carracso: The Super Starter & Reliever
Posted:
Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:26 pm
by bbfan
what bullpen role do you have him in?
Re: Carracso: The Super Starter & Reliever
Posted:
Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:48 pm
by Jeepdriver
He's not mine so can't say what the settings are.
Of course it's worth it, even if he gets hammered every now and then. Any extra edge is huge.
Re: Carracso: The Super Starter & Reliever
Posted:
Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:02 pm
by l.strether
Yes, I know. Of course that's why I said it's worth it to counter Scumby's tempering claim he'd get hammered. And extra edges the rules allow are what we all try for; it's a key part of the game.
Re: Carrasco: The Super Starter & Reliever
Posted:
Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:12 pm
by ScumbyJr
I wouldn't call it an extra edge. He was used as the 7th RP both times, it doesn't appear to be a setting. The guy has Sanchez and other true RPs. I would expect him to be put in at a lot at F0 if used regularly in relief plus as a SP.
Re: Carrasco: The Super Starter & Reliever
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Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:16 pm
by l.strether
ScumbyJr wrote:I wouldn't call it an extra edge.
That's an issue of semantics. If by "extra edge," he meant an edge outside fair play, then you're right; it's not an "extra edge." But if by "extra edge," he meant an edge beyond those capably ascertained by most managers in one's league, then it is an "extra edge." as is any advanced strategy rarely conceived by most managers.
Re: Carrasco: The Super Starter & Reliever
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Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:49 pm
by freeman
Well, it's not an extra edge anymore now that we all know about it...I'll have to try it out sometime--it appears to provide a significant advantage (even if we assume that it's something like having half an elite reliever in addition to being a starter).
Re: Carrasco: The Super Starter & Reliever
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Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:55 pm
by ScumbyJr
It's a strategy more commonly used in ATG when fatigue levels for RP are much higher. It's not easy to pull off. I am skeptical it can work in 20XX. The FO will show up quickly and be deadly.