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how does Soria get a win?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:17 pm
by bbfan

Re: how does Soria get a win?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:30 pm
by coyote303
He shouldn't. In some cases there is judgment allowed that would keep the middle pitcher from getting the win, but he has to be ineffective--that wasn't the case here. SOM once in a while awards the win to the wrong pitcher.

Re: how does Soria get a win?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:33 pm
by MARCPELLETIER
When the starter doesn't pass the 5th it's left to the official scorekeeper to make the call, based on his judgment about which reliever pitched best, of whom deserve the win. Soria did pitch better.edit well not so much better but scoreless nevertheless

Re: how does Soria get a win?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:33 pm
by ROBERTLATORRE
From the MLB Rule Book

10.17b and 10.17c apply - HAL must have decided that since Gonzales only pitched 4 1/3rd, Mendez allowed a run and Soria didn't, Soria was more effective than Mendez and deserved the W.


10.17 Winning And Losing Pitcher
(a) The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless
(1) such pitcher is a starting pitcher and Rule 10.17(b) applies; or
(2) Rule 10.17(c) applies.
Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.
(b) If the pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, is a starting pitcher who has not completed
(1) five innings of a game that lasts six or more innings on defense, or
(2) four innings of a game that lasts five innings on defense, then the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the relief pitcher, if there is only one relief pitcher, or the relief pitcher who, in the official scorerÂ’s judgment was the most effective, if there is more than one relief pitcher.
Rule 10.17(b) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.17(b) that a relief pitcher pitch at least one complete inning or pitch when a crucial out is made, within the context of the game (including the score), in order to be credited as the winning pitcher. If the first relief pitcher pitches effectively, the official scorer should not presumptively credit that pitcher with the win, because the rule requires that the win be credited to the pitcher who was the most effective, and a subsequent relief pitcher may have been most effective. The official scorer, in determining which relief pitcher was the most effective, should consider the number of runs, earned runs and base runners given up by each relief pitcher and the context of the game at the time of each relief pitcherÂ’s appearance. If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the official scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher.
(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.
Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.

(d) A losing pitcher is a pitcher who is responsible for the run that gives the winning team a lead that the winning team does not relinquish.
Rule 10.17(d) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the losing pitcher is concerned.
(e) A league may designate a non-championship game (for example, the Major League All-Star Game) for which Rules 10.17(a)(1) and 10.17(b) do not apply. In such games, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless such pitcher is knocked out after the winning team has attained a commanding lead and the official scorer concludes that a subsequent pitcher is entitled to credit as the winning pitcher.

Re: how does Soria get a win?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:35 pm
by ROBERTLATORRE
Marc and Coyote, I posted immediately after you did without reading your posts. Just restated what you both said.

Re: how does Soria get a win?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:56 pm
by bbfan
First, great to have a SOM only discussion, I thought the same thing: don't we all wish HAL could be so baseball savvy in his decisions? :D

JT