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Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:32 am
by Page2
Hi,

Here are the results of 100 AB's using the strat cards for Harper, Bautista, & Cespedes:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-bas ... a-cespedes

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Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:59 am
by Radagast Brown
I saw this on Facebook of all places. Hopefully it inspires a couple more people to play SOM.

Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:15 am
by ROBERTVOZZA
Everyone who knows me, knows how old school I am. I played Little League. But was too slow to play HS. Played 2B and was a very good hitter - Especially fastballs. I took the hits at 2B, seldom if ever tried to show up a pitcher unless I got a hit that won a game and then I celebrated with my teammates while shaking hands with the opposing pitcher and telling him "Nice game." Of course he threw at me the next time and I ducked and smiled.

It was just part of the game. My generation(Baby Boomers) were just very tough and very competitive. In HS(Catholic School) our players hated the players on the other teams in the city. And we would fight on the field and in the stands. It was worse at Basketball games, because Bridgeport, CT had 4 very rough ghettos 1 on each side off town. I grew up in the middle - Near Central HS. The biggest in the city - which had 2500 students. There would be fights on the court and in the stands. I'd attend a lot of games alone and would duck out of road games if we had a big lead before anyone else got out.

So when Bob Gibson(My favorite SP ever) or Don Drysdale(A hated Dodger) would brushback or hit you with a pitch, you'd get mad and hope your SP retaliated. It was a part of the game and a part of life to expect comeuppance if you showed somebody up. Part of it was that MLB Players played for glory and nobody made a lot of money(Even Pro Football Players only made about 3-4x what an average working stiff made.) Unless they were the 2 or 3 best players in the game. In the 70's, Willie Mays was the 1st player to make $100K. And that was considered a ton of money back then.

In the early 80's after Free Agency tookoff - Pete Rose was lured away from the Reds by the Phillies and became the highest paid player in baseball at around 3.5M per year. That's only about 35yrs ago. What do you think Mays would be worth nowadays?

Now players are huge corporate entities unto themselves and massive investments of their respective Franchises. Think Max Scherzer or Giancarlo Stanton 2 years ago. Baseball used to be a game for the working class. Now it could cost 4-500 to take your family of 4 to a game and sit in the cheap seats. Parking, $10+ beers, $6 Hot dogs etc. And thats just in Phoenix - The cheapest place to see a ballgame in the US.

And players don't hustle like they did back then. I witness such sloppy play watching games on TV that it embarrasses me. So when fans boo you because you dog it and when fans in the good seats razz the opposing teams players - Sometimes even mentioning your mother, you better believe that its because of how much money you make.

But if you want to celebrate, be my guest. But if you show up my pitcher and you walk around the bases blowing kisses to the crowd and showboating against my team, nobody is taking away your choice. Just expect to get a fastball in your ear or in the back the next time you come to the plate. Thats baseball. When all the Baby Boomers and GenXers are dead and gone, you can play all the PUSSY BALL,( no sliding hard into 2B, no pitching inside, no diving in the OF or climbing the wall, no running into the catcher or even glaring at a batter etc) all you want. Keep your sabermetrics on your smartphones and consult each other about how modern players compare to guys who played with HEART, for the love, honor and respect for the game. It's like comparing QB's pass completion pct to players from the 50's 60's and 70's when a forward pass was at least 30-40 yards. And defenses could hit the QBs all they wanted.

Same principle as throwing at hitters. There won't be anything resembling Sport anymore to me. But I will go to my grave sometime soon knowing that I witnessed the greatest competition in US Sports EVER - In the 50's, 60's and 70's. And I will have a smile on my face because I know it was a great honor and gift to have been there to witness it. :D

Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:35 am
by ROBERTVOZZA
Maybe Rose's contract was 3and a half M for several years.

Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:29 pm
by fenders
ROBERTVOZZA wrote:Maybe Rose's contract was 3and a half M for several years.


Wouldn't surprise me. I believe I read he was the first non-power hitter to land a $100K contract. Times have sure changed and inflation certainly doesn't explain the disparity.

Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:14 pm
by Michael Grammes
I remember when hitters were scared to show emotion. not-so-much for their own safety, but the safety of the hitters behind them.

that was part of the game.

The chuck rule in football... bah, let em play.

the scott stevens rules in NHL... hey, don't skate with your head down idjit. Eric Lindros who?

All rule, and, player imposed moral rules, are meant for safety. I get it. But if you bat flip, jump around, take 20 seconds to run the bases after you tried to figure out which fan caught you HR that cleared the shortest fence in LF... yeah, somebody better be taking a shot in the ribs or thigh. No, I don't want to see anyone get their bell rung, not at near 100MPH, but a bruised rib or deep thigh bruise.. yeah, I would LOVE to see that happen again. Trout, plays it old school, pete rose style, all hustle and heart. Harper.. Well, hes good the way he plays the game too, but should he be out for 3-5 games cause he took one on the ass cheek and cant sit... AWESOME!

I caught for 12 years, was invited to the Reds and Mets rookie camps back in 1993. Had 7 knee operations while in high school, and was sent back home after a few days cause of my med reports on my knees. Anyhoo, I played with hustle, heart, and respect.

Respect for my teammates, my opponents, the fans.

The childs game that is played today, By children in mens bodies with the ability to blind or worse. This is not the game I played. The game I played, ended years ago, with the steroid age. That, is when MLB, the players, all they cared about was revenue at the box office. Hrs are entertaining (to some, not me).

Bat flips, showmanship, one better than the next guy, yeah, that too is exciting to some (again, not me)

TAKE PRIDE IN YOUR NATURAL ABILITIES! THIS IS MLB... NOT WWE.

Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:04 pm
by ROBERTVOZZA
Great post.

Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:06 pm
by ROBERTVOZZA
BTW, I don't know how many of you are from the northeast, but I remember when Steinbrenner first bought the Yankees. Know what he paid? 1Million dollars. :!:

Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:44 pm
by kihoover
Here is a good article on past players' salaries and how they equate to salaries of present players.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/how-hall-o ... 2-dollars/

Re: Gossage vs The Bat Flippers

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:47 pm
by ROBERTVOZZA
Thanks K.