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Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:48 pm
by J-Pav
I hesitate even asking, because whenever I do this I’m often embarrassed with an obviously easy answer that I should have recognized.
I’m increasingly irritated by the Catcher X-Chart stats.
For instance:
Molina 1(-3)e1 62/73 x-chances (85%)
Ellis 3(+2)e1 55/66 x-chances (83%)
Gomes 2(-2)e5 46/59 x-chances (78%)
What conditions have to be in place for a 1e1 to fail 15% of the time? Why does being a 3e1 get you exactly the same results as a 1e1? How does being a 2 get you less outs than a 3?
This is not a one league thing, this is rampant across leagues, so I would love for someone to explain to me why paying up for a 1 catcher matters at all.
I apologize ahead of time for not knowing what will likely end up being a painfully obvious explanation.
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:36 pm
by MARCPELLETIER
Going from memory, but I think all catchers have three chances (thus 15%) of wild pitch readings based on the pitchers' cards.
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:39 pm
by MARCPELLETIER
Or maybe wild pitch/ passed ball chances, now I seem to remember. With 50% the readings are based on the pitchers' wp and 50% are based on the catchers' pb.
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:40 pm
by J-Pav
Should there not be some type of space between a 1, a 2 and a 3 still, if wild pitches are all equal?
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:44 pm
by J-Pav
I guess the defensive rating is just offset by the number of wild pitches. A 3 looks better than a 1 when the pitchers throw fewer wild pitches then.
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:49 pm
by Ninersphan
Catchers actually have two error ratings, the one after the range rating, so 3E1 for example and their T rating which cound be from 1-20 with 1 being the best and 20 the worst. The T rating is not reflected on the X chart but rather on steal attempts but counts towards errors. Not sure this answers or even pertains to your question, but it might be a factor.
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:05 pm
by childsmwc
JPav,
One of the subtler results from the catchers X chances is whose rating to use when determining a wild pitch. On certain X chances you use the pitchers WP rating and on others you use the catchers pb rating which is usually much lower. My recollection of the chart is that the 1 rated defenders get more of the pb type rolls while bad catchers get the wp rolls. So if your starters have high wp ratings a 1 rated catcher makes a difference. Low wp rated pitchers then the benefit of a 1 vs 4 is significantly less. I will pull the charts tonight and provide the probabilities.
Also a number of the catcher X chances result in nothing happening and the batter remains at the plate. Does the sim first roll the WP result determine a failed X chance but then nothing happens with no runners on base. In this instance you could be credited with a “failed roll” but nothing negative actually happened. This would make the fail rate look higher than the actual wild pitches allowed.
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:11 pm
by childsmwc
To see this effect you can sim the computer game with guys like Candiotti pitching an entire season to Piazza vs. Pagnozzi and you will see a significant reduction in wild pitches. I am using guys from the 90’s because that is the last time I actually had the PC version of the game
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:56 pm
by milleram
I have to agree with Jpavs observations here---I seldom even pay much attention to a catchers fielding rating other than T rating.--and even then if he is a minus arm rating I will use a T-20 guy.
The reason (I think) for % numbers Jpav listed is passed balls off the xchart--and probably WP off the xchart count as a missed chance too, + PB in general.
A 1 rated catcher often has a higher PB rating than lower rated catchers--Strat takes into account a catchers passed balls off x-chart when figuring PB ratings--it's more common to see a 3 catcher with a PB-0 rating than a 1 catcher for that reason.
I have no idea if PB that do not come off the x-chart count in his stats though--but they probably do.
Re: Catcher X-Chart Question
Posted:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:05 pm
by J-Pav
Wow - thank you for all the great feedback/input guys...MUCH appreciated!