Just wondering if this ATG anymore.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought our catagory was All Time Greats. You know, Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Johnny Bench, Cy Young. To be an All Time Great, don't a guy's playing days have to be over? Don't the guy have to have achieved a career at least? Shouldn't the guy at least reach Hall of Fame elgibility? Personally I think the card set is plenty deep enough without adding cards not meeting these qualifications. I mean like , Kenley Jansen 2016? Really? All Time Great? That's a stretch.

Couple of things....

The foundation of the ATG set was All Time Great Teams which gave us the scrubs that are necessary to play lower cap leagues. The problem obviously is that the great players didn't necessarily have their best year for the ATG team on which they are represented. Which meant adding a better year for players poorly represented by their team affiliation. Others among us believe that representation of baseball history should be reflected in the set -- thus the arguments over the inclusion of Ross Barnes, Cuckoo Christensen and the like. A secondary "problem" is that lower level cards often come with some intriguing virtues -- triples, sb, etc. -- which lead some of us to wonder if there might not be some hidden gems in the world of baseball history (that wouldn't skew the history or the som game), thus the inclusion of some names that might seem out of line with an ATG moniker. The rise of Franchise leagues has meant that some som players are not just thinking of cards in a more "traditional" way, but now are thinking of how certain franchises are underrepresented. If you haven't played a numerous season franchise league, I urge you to do so. It's a lot of fun and gives a new perspective to the game.

I would also add that if you are unhappy with certain cards, then create a league that excludes them (there was a recent league that excluded high end Dale Murray type relievers). Market it well and there will always be people interested.

There is no denying that each new card addition changes the game ever so slightly, which makes the cards that we add an important point of debate (witness the exchanges on the ATG card addition thread). Many of us have very definite feelings about inclusiveness or exclusiveness.

Bill

Why pick on Kenley?

I would also add that if you are unhappy with certain cards, then create a league that excludes them (there was a recent league that excluded high end Dale Murray type relievers). Market it well and there will always be people interested.

Bill

this is what I keep trying to say-- make a league without certain cards if you don't like lets say anything past 2000 or whatever- but for the folks who like as broad choices as possible, we can't have that it if they are excluded from the set entirely.
It shouldn't be that difficult to create subsets automatically, there really should be an auto feature for it when creating a league-- but add that to the other hundred things that prolly won't happen.

Well said, George Bernard!

We’re entering the home stretch in a league using an All-time Great Teams concept. It’s been fun, and the results so far? Somewhat unexpected!

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/league/435323

I’m one of those who enjoys the franchise league concept, and lower caps, so adding a specific team each year, and including the scrubs, is just how I like it.