"Open to all owners with...or less championships"?

The particular league I'm looking at is open to owners with 20 or less championships.

Why 20? I can understand 0 championships, to give one manager a certain chance of winning. But why, specifically, 20?

One problem with this "limit on championships" approach is that it makes a league harder to fill. The players who enter the most ATG leagues are the veteran managers who somehow just can't stop playing ATG. And most of those owners, many of whom have been around for perhaps a decade or more, have won 20 or more championships. Plus, they bring veteran skills into a league, which less experienced players can observe and learn from.

This particular league with the 20 ring limit has been sitting half filled for a couple of weeks or more. I like the league's premise, and I would have joined it by now except for the limit. If it and similar leagues were open to all owners, they would fill a lot faster.

Not only that, but if they think they're really only playing against people with 20 or less rings, they're fooling themselves.

Not only that, but if they think they're really only playing against people with 20 or less rings, they're fooling themselves.

Yup-
so many alternate accounts.

Guys, check out the thread “League champion restrictions with high win % ???”

There is a league open currently for 20 or less championships that has a manager in there with a winning % right at where cristano1, riggiodrill and nomadbrad are. Those are three of the best and don't think they would be in a league like this.

I think these type of leagues all very cowardly, and worse, disingenuous. If they are really kinda newbies, then they're "living in their fears," afraid to challenge themselves and learn more by playing against the best owners in a normal league.

If they're people using new handles or alternate accounts, that's just way too much deception for what should be a simple and beautiful game and experience. I'm way too busy to fathom what motivates a person to try to take advantage of such things, geez. They must have too much idle time on their hands.

although I haven't played in that kind of league, I can understand the sentiments, and maybe be more tolerant of lesser experienced players (which isn't hard to do as I'm super new)

if I was learning tennis, or chess, or anything with strategy involved, and if I was always playing vastly superior players, I might learn "what I should do", but "actually being able to do it, in a competitive environment" (the opponent isn't letting me win for example) would not be so easy or probable....thus, I'd be getting a lot of "book knowledge", but not as much practical experience.....its when someone can compete with others of near skill and a little better, that they feel they have a chance to win, or score that point (and they do), and the outcome isn't so fixed.....

this helps them to develop an ounce or more of confidence, as well as the technical/skills aspects

I don't think newbies begrudge anyone from playing in a "champions only" league, where most/all of the teams are veritable experts.....reciprocally, it could be argued the beginners deserve the same respect, and allow them to "cut their teeth" and learn.....

nobody sees the daily roster management of each team during league play....we basically judge or evaluate the other teams not only on performance but on roster makeup....if the newbies want to learn from experienced players, they could review old leagues/rosters of successful GMs.......they don't need to be forced (without options to play easier leagues) to compete against the best from the gitko

compare it to little leagues....if my son is at T-ball level skill, and shows up at the field and gets put into a fast pitch league much higher level than him, "how much is he really going to learn ?''''....let the kid learn how to run, hit, field, throw a little, and then move up the ranks, like minor league MLB players do from single A > double A > triple A > the show

just 2 cents worth of food for thought, totally respect dissenting viewpoints

...or from the klesko, konerko, or tomko, either......

...or from the klesko, konerko, or tomko, either......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujzzdut ... GlennDavey