coincidence

Moderator: Palmtana

  • Author
  • Message
Offline

scorehouse

  • Posts: 1549
  • Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:22 pm

coincidence

PostThu Apr 10, 2025 5:30 pm

random. black box, or just bad luck? I've got 14 teams going. out of the 14, 1 team is 2-1 with exactly even dice, 4 teams have positive dice and 9 have negative dice with a couple with over well -100 rolls as the season is ending. 1 team somehow made the playoffs last night with the other 3 having season positive dice. about tired of pissing into the wind
Offline

Big Fred Whitfield

  • Posts: 279
  • Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:26 pm

Re: coincidence

PostThu Apr 10, 2025 7:59 pm

I know

i have similar experience with "expected" wins vs actual

i get screwed about 2/3 of the time, and it's cost me several playoff appearances

i know another GM (won't name out of respect) mentioned they had an unusually long recent streak of playoff teams not winning a title, over 15 i think

somewhere, some place, some GMs must be getting good luck, although that place is so far away and unfamiliar to my teams, we can't even see it nor even imagine it
Offline

scorehouse

  • Posts: 1549
  • Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:22 pm

Re: coincidence

PostWed Apr 16, 2025 4:24 pm

what is "expected wins " based upon? HAL's Pen management? or any other team setting? or is it based on 50/50 dice?
Offline

scorehouse

  • Posts: 1549
  • Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:22 pm

Re: coincidence

PostWed Apr 16, 2025 4:25 pm

it's the Black Box!!!!
Offline

barrmorris

  • Posts: 386
  • Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:25 pm

Re: coincidence

PostWed Apr 16, 2025 10:35 pm

It's nothing mysterious. It's the same thing you'll see published in any expanded standings for MLB. It's based on the Pythagorean expectation formula. In this case it is Expected Win PCT = RS^2/(RS^2+RA^2). A more accurate exponent for baseball is in the 1.7-1.8 range (other sports use other exponents). In any case it's just a statistic that is correlated with win pct. Some time ago, I measured the Root Mean Square Error for the statistic in SOM baseball over about 1000 leagues and found it similar to the RMSE for the statistic in MLB.
Offline

scorehouse

  • Posts: 1549
  • Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:22 pm

Re: coincidence

PostThu Apr 17, 2025 10:19 pm

how is this calculated before the 1st game is played?
Offline

barrmorris

  • Posts: 386
  • Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:25 pm

Re: coincidence

PostThu Apr 17, 2025 10:36 pm

scorehouse wrote:how is this calculated before the 1st game is played?


It's not. Where are you seeing it calculated before the season starts?
Offline

commitments

  • Posts: 16
  • Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:33 pm

Re: coincidence

PostFri Apr 18, 2025 7:22 am

"It's based on the Pythagorean expectation formula. In this case it is Expected Win PCT = RS^2/(RS^2+RA^2). A more accurate exponent for baseball is in the 1.7-1.8 range (other sports use other exponents). In any case it's just a statistic that is correlated with win pct. Some time ago, I measured the Root Mean Square Error for the statistic in SOM baseball over about 1000 leagues and found it similar to the RMSE for the statistic in MLB."

Now I know why I keep getting my ass kicked

Artie
Offline

scorehouse

  • Posts: 1549
  • Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:22 pm

Re: coincidence

PostFri Apr 18, 2025 1:34 pm

I'm not seeing it B4 the season starts. that's the point.
Offline

Big Fred Whitfield

  • Posts: 279
  • Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:26 pm

Re: coincidence

PostFri Apr 18, 2025 2:00 pm

score......

Hal doesn't look at a GMs career win %, and the makeup of his team compared to others in the league/division, etc, and then make a prediction of "expected" wins....that's not how it works

to my knowledge, it's calculating the aleady played games, and basically the run differential.....that theory others noted, just uses an algebraic equation using the same data, and it comes up with roughly the same analysis

meaning, if your team for example after half the season (81 games), had around a +50 overall run differential, to me, that seems to be around 5 or 6 games over .500 (actual record)....meaning, the "expected wins" for a team having played half the season, and with that +50 differential, would be around 5-6 games over .500 (i'm ballparking here, but think Im fairly close)....take it to a further extent, and if having a +100 differential after that many games, the team would be expected to be about 10-12 games over .500 or thereabouts

so, if your team had the first total, +50 point differerential, and your actual wins in the league was more or less than that number, it's arguably one of the primary factors determining if your team has been lucky, unlucky, or have mostly equal luck (if actual wins are near expected wins)

that was the issue I lamented when first replying to your post

in summary, the expected wins can't be calculated until games have been played, because they are in fact based on those game results...and, the more games played, the more weighty the data, because it's only possible to be a few games up or down in the season's first week or two, so by season's end, those numbers (actual vs. expected) mean the most
Next

Return to Strat-O-Matic Baseball: All-Time Greats

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests