Reverse Lineup: CHEER

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Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 12:29 am

Brings one more element of the game under out control taking us one step closer to per game lineups.

One place I can see using this is in playoffs during those 2 game a night deals. You have a player who is injured for the first game but healthy for the second. In the past if the other guy happened to be throwing 2 righties or 2 lefties you had to make a choice. Put the injured guy in lineup for game one and trust HAL to make intelligent sub so you can have the lineup you want for game 2. Or make the lineup you want for game 1 but lose the injured player for 2 games instead of 1.

Now there is the chance that opposing manager will have a straight pitcher and a reverse pitcher. With this new feature I can target each game individually. I can make the adjustment for the injury I want in game 1 AND have the lineup I want with the player healthy in game 2.

Like any other feature a little creativity will go a long way. :D
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 10:15 am

Interesting point. But I'm all in favor of this feature. Mostly I just play $100M and below, so it's irrelevant to me, but I had a team a while back where my DH was two uber-cheap E guys in a platoon. With this feature I could also have reverse-platooned them against reverse guys.

I understand the frustration of you guys who play higher caps, as this is one more feature that brings the game into line with slow-pitch softball. And it does make Score and Blue almost unusable at those caps. But reverse bullpen guys are probably not affected by the rule, since it's only for lineups.
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 12:18 pm

I play higher caps almost exclusively. And I will be very surprised if many use this feature as a means of wholesale plattoning based on reverse lineups. Even at 200 mil a 4 man platoon is not going to be practical. All this feature does is give a little more control of how HAL manages your team.

For my teams I can see situations where I may platoon less. Having a reverse lineup effectively also gives me a non-reverse lineup. So for example my 6R LH bat could be moved down in lineup against tough lefties but left high in lineup against reverse or normal lefties. I now only need to be concerned having injury situations covered. I no longer have to have a platoon partner for that position. If this means I maximize my lineup and score an extra 10 runs during the season so be it. I can live with that.

Is it possible some people may have to adjust their strategy a bit? Yes. Is it possible some pitchers will become slightly less valuable. Yes, so what. Others will have more value. It will even out. Of course some people are just unable to handle change. I understand that.
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 1:19 pm

You are missing part of the point, and you have part of the point imo.

1.No matter if its 'good' or 'bad' its inexcusable to make the change on predrafted existing teams. Even if the effect is, say only 1 or 2 games different- people drafted their teams based on the rules- cant change midstream- its completely amateurish, no pro organization would do it.

2. Yes, everyone loves greater control of their team- BUT- why is the control only going for batters?
Bernie keeps saying 'often demanded' feature- maybe some are demanding it, but twice as many people have asked for Bullpen 3 to come out- so my question is- did they just do this one because its easier and more convenient?

3. If I understand the control then it works the same way for both a 1L SP and a 9L SP.
Does that make any sense?

4. The biggest issues is once again that Bernie does things without communicating with the community.
Ive dont like to threaten to quit the game- and I prolly won't, but we keep putting badaids on the giant gashes we have- so Im not sure where that leaves it.
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 3:32 pm

Yes, I agree with the issue about changing the rules for existing leagues and also the non-communication issue.

I think you're overly concerned about the issue, though, even in $200M leagues. How many guys actually have platoons consisting of a lopsided LH bat and balanced RH bat, or vice versa? I would expect most platoons at that cap to be, say, Brett and Brosius, where you wouldn't really abandon your platoon anyway. But I've only played 1 $200M league, and you do it all the time, so maybe it's an issue.
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 3:43 pm

yeah-
in a way I might be overstating the effect- but its really a matter of good principle.

If a post had gone up stating that there was no way to only do this for some teams and would everyone chime in on weather they would like it affected for all- then Id have a lot less to complain about.

The effects on the game bug me, but that I can adjust to- what bugs me more is that they continually ignore communication with the community- and steamroll things into being.

Its a great game, really- I only hope it can survive its masters.
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 4:14 pm

what bugs me more is that they continually ignore communication with the community

I share your concern on this. And join you in working to get better communication going forward.
But it is illogical to be critical of something done right just because they are doing something else wrong.

In other words the merits of the reverse lineup feature are distinct from the need to communicate better. Criticize when it is justified but give props when it is due.
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 4:18 pm

I personally Dont like it- in part because of the way its constituted. Others have broken downt the faults better than I can explain...

but thats not what Im criticising- what Im criticising is that it went into effect on EXISTING leagues- without proper notice.

If the GOP finally rids itself of Boner, but only after we fall of the cliff- how can I cheer?
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 6:05 pm

If I gave you a thousand dollars would you turn it down and say I should not do it because it is not the million you would prefer?

I can see complaining about it being applied to existing leagues. But the feature itself is a good thing giving us more control over our lineups. Therefore I see no reason not to cheer the feature itself.
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Re: Reverse Lineup: CHEER

PostSun Dec 23, 2012 10:53 pm

Salty wrote:You are missing part of the point, and you have part of the point imo.

1.No matter if its 'good' or 'bad' its inexcusable to make the change on predrafted existing teams. Even if the effect is, say only 1 or 2 games different- people drafted their teams based on the rules- cant change midstream- its completely amateurish, no pro organization would do it.

2. Yes, everyone loves greater control of their team- BUT- why is the control only going for batters?
Bernie keeps saying 'often demanded' feature- maybe some are demanding it, but twice as many people have asked for Bullpen 3 to come out- so my question is- did they just do this one because its easier and more convenient?

3. If I understand the control then it works the same way for both a 1L SP and a 9L SP.
Does that make any sense?


4. The biggest issues is once again that Bernie does things without communicating with the community.
Ive dont like to threaten to quit the game- and I prolly won't, but we keep putting badaids on the giant gashes we have- so Im not sure where that leaves it.


The NHL once changed the rules on offsides in the middle of a season in order to increase scoring
The NFL changed the rule on when you call a coin flip (before flipped versus in the air) in the middle of the season
Major League Soccer changed the rule on tiebreakers for making the playoffs in the middle of the season - imagine changing that here.

This is an improvement to the control of the game and there is a really good advantage that accrues to pitching as a result of this that I really like, in essence I think that is the best part of the whole change myself.
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