ALERT: McGee and other 1985 cards wrong in DD

"...but some players like Gibson show a hr bar that is exact under a much lower hr environment, and some other like Maris show his card in a ver high hr environment"

Which Gibson and which Maris?
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...ahhh. Now I understand what you are implying. Some players are much more dependent on BP HR than others. Roger Maris played in Yankee stadium - very favorable for LH power. The card is designed to replicate his actual stats, so you would need to play him in a park that helps LH power.

However, if the player's home park was a deadball park, you would expect he would not "lose" as many HR to park effects. I think Josh Gibson played a lot of his career in Griffith Stadium & Forbes Field. If I'm right about that, then it makes sense that he would gain quite a bit more benefit from playing in a power-favorable park.
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Took a closer look at those cards. Wow! That 13.47M Gibson card is AMAZING!!! Virtually all of his HR are "Pure." He loses only .4 when you adjust for BP HR.

1961 Roger Maris on the other hand, loses 3.8 HR to park effects.

Hah! ...so funny. Whoever entered the data for that 1985 Willie McGee card was a little dyslexic. For 1B vs. LHP, they entered 29.7 when it should have been 27.9!
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Taking a closer look at McGee '85, there are actually problems on both sides of the card. Data mis-keyed on the vL side, and the goofy card (which does not accurately display SI 1-4 on 3-7) on the vR side.
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Hmmm... I stand corrected. Actually, it looks like data was entered "correctly" on the vL side of card, if you view 2-4 as a straight Single, however, that is another incorrectly displayed Single/Lineout split. If you read 2-4 instead as SI 1-12 / LO 13-20, you would get numbers that match up to Strat Card Reader. It looks like it was just a coincidence that the effect was to transpose the 7 and 9 around the decimal place.

It looks like there is a problem displaying Single/Lineout splits all over the 1985 batter cards. Whoever entered the data in DD, read straight from the card rather than Strat Card Reader (which is calculated from the underlying database).

Did a quick sample of '85 players for the Single / Lineout issue...

Brett -- 3-12 | 3-12
R.Henderson -- 2-3 | 3-7
McGee -- 2-4 | 3-7
Guerrero -- 2-10 | NA
Barfield -- 3-10 | 3-10
D.Parker -- 3-12 | 2-2
G.Carter -- 1-6 | 3-8
E.Murray -- 3-12 | 3-12
Doran -- NA | NA
K.Hernandez -- 3-10 | 3-9
Herr -- 1-2 | 1-2
L.Parrish -- 3-5 | 3-6
Wallach -- NA | NA
Horner -- 2-3 | 2-3
Moseby -- 2-10 | 2-10
T.Fernandez -- 3-10 | 3-6
Templeton -- NA | NA

Did a quick sample of '85 players for the Single / Lineout issue...

Brett -- 3-12 | 3-12
R.Henderson -- 2-3 | 3-7
McGee -- 2-4 | 3-7
Guerrero -- 2-10 | NA
Barfield -- 3-10 | 3-10
D.Parker -- 3-12 | 2-2
G.Carter -- 1-6 | 3-8
E.Murray -- 3-12 | 3-12
Doran -- NA | NA
K.Hernandez -- 3-10 | 3-9
Herr -- 1-2 | 1-2
L.Parrish -- 3-5 | 3-6
Wallach -- NA | NA
Horner -- 2-3 | 2-3
Moseby -- 2-10 | 2-10
T.Fernandez -- 3-10 | 3-6
Templeton -- NA | NA

This is really inexcusable and should be addressed by Strat ASAP.

This 1985 issue is the displayed image of the card. The white triangle locations are not displaying the proper information.

ATG Pitchers in 85 have this same issue (e.g. Dwight Gooden, Jimmy Key, Dave Stieb)

In Back to 80s card set, all 1985 cards look to have same infection.

Almost more surprisingly, the NEW CARD VIEWER APP also has this same problem from a few of the 1985 heroes cards (batters & pitchers) that can be looked at. The white triangle (ADV to SADV hit adjustment) is appearing as an SI, not as the appropriate out or single followed by SI* 1-x lo y-20. It is surprising that this same exact error was not caught when doing the APP. But as noted before, the Single bar chart counts actually do appear to be correct (I.e. do not reflect what the card shows but do reflect the correct information that should be shown on the card).

[Q #1]...The white triangle locations are not displaying the proper information. ... The white triangle (ADV to SADV hit adjustment) is appearing as an SI, not as the appropriate out or single followed by SI* 1-x lo y-20.

[Q #2]...Almost more surprisingly, the NEW CARD VIEWER APP also has this same problem from a few of the 1985 heroes cards (batters & pitchers) that can be looked at. It is surprising that this same exact error was not caught when doing the APP.

[Q #3]...as noted before, the Single bar chart counts actually do appear to be correct (I.e. do not reflect what the card shows but do reflect the correct information that should be shown on the card).

Reb, thanks for the additional insight. I was confused by a few of your references...

Question #1 - when you refer to "white triangle" are you talking about the symbols for Ballpark Singles? ...or something else?

Question #2 - "NEW CARD VIEWER APP" - what's that? ...is that the bar chart on the bottom half of card that shows % chances of outcomes on the card? ...or something else that exists outside of the online SOM game?

Question #3 - "Single bar chart" - this refers to bar chart on the bottom half of card that shows % chances of outcomes on the card, yes? ...and is that distinct from 'NEW CARD VIEWER APP?"

Pitchers are affected too!!

Gooden card much better than indicated in DD

Reardon goes from massively overpriced to slightly underpriced!!

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Reb, thanks for the additional insight. I was confused by a few of your references...

Question #1 - when you refer to "white triangle" are you talking about the symbols for Ballpark Singles? ...or something else?

Question #2 - "NEW CARD VIEWER APP" - what's that? ...is that the bar chart on the bottom half of card that shows % chances of outcomes on the card? ...or something else that exists outside of the online SOM game?

Question #3 - "Single bar chart" - this refers to bar chart on the bottom half of card that shows % chances of outcomes on the card, yes? ...and is that distinct from 'NEW CARD VIEWER APP?"

1-it's something else. You see the white triangle on the manual card. When playing in super-advanced rules, you must look at the right of the triangle, which is typically a si 1-X lineout X-20 reading

2-something new, an app actually, that SOM sells

3-My understanding yes the bar chart is something else than the app

Marc: I've known about the '85 card disaster since February, 1986. But with Gooden, how do you know what the actual card reads instead of the 5-5 of SL vs lefties and 5-4 SL vs righties. I never use that Gooden card, but if those two singles were actually outs, the card would be worth something, which given how stupendous a year he actually had would right a 30 year old travesty.

Marc: I've known about the '85 card disaster since February, 1986. But with Gooden, how do you know what the actual card reads instead of the 5-5 of SL vs lefties and 5-4 SL vs righties. I never use that Gooden card, but if those two singles were actually outs, the card would be worth something, which given how stupendous a year he actually had would right a 30 year old travesty.

With an iPad, you can tap on the bar chart regions and the exact count pops up. For Gooden, 9.25 and 7.4 SI Counts. In other words, those bogus SI(s) are both SI* 1, lo 2-20.