WHY limit the pre 1900 players to 2nd tier?

C'mon Garcia we want All ERAS as the Default.

I’m sure most of you guys are aware the game changed dramatically rules wise in 1903 AL and 1901 NL.

I mean we are talking major things.

Like unlimited foul balls for a while. Or requesting where you wanted the pitch. Stuff like that.

Don’t get me wrong. I love it all. But I get it.

To me ...comparing some 1800s card year to say a 1950 card year is really apples and oranges.

I’m sure most of you guys are aware the game changed dramatically rules wise in 1903 AL and 1901 NL.

I mean we are talking major things.

Like unlimited foul balls for a while. Or requesting where you wanted the pitch. Stuff like that.

Don’t get me wrong. I love it all. But I get it.

To me ...comparing some 1800s card year to say a 1950 card year is really apples and oranges.

In that case you can't compare 1980s roids players to any others either-
but none of that is the actual point.
these arguments have already been hashed out and in the end...
WE the community voted on including these cards, that's why they are here in the first place.

Can't find new players on draft list....severino, billingsley, holland? whats up with that

The game is "All Time" greats and has been since its inception. Baseball has evolved over the years. The ATG game has always been about all eras. Why change now?

The game played in the 1800's wasn't even baseball. You wouldn't recognize it as such anyway. The pitches threw underhand, 8 balls, no third strike on foul bunts, etc.

They probably don't belong at all IMHO.

As pointed out, the rules stabilized around 1901 so....

The game played in the 1800's wasn't even baseball. You wouldn't recognize it as such anyway. The pitches threw underhand, 8 balls, no third strike on foul bunts, etc.

They probably don't belong at all IMHO.

As pointed out, the rules stabilized around 1901 so....

I disagree. They do belong, in my opinion. I believe baseball went to 60' 6" in 1893. Four balls became a walk in 1889. Foul bunts were classified as strikes in 1894. These players are part of baseball history, and many of them are in the hall of fame.

The game played in the 1800's wasn't even baseball. You wouldn't recognize it as such anyway. The pitches threw underhand, 8 balls, no third strike on foul bunts, etc.

They probably don't belong at all IMHO.

As pointed out, the rules stabilized around 1901 so....

I disagree. They do belong, in my opinion. I believe baseball went to 60' 6" in 1893. Four balls became a walk in 1889. Foul bunts were classified as strikes in 1894. These players are part of baseball history, and many of them are in the hall of fame.

BCNY -- YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
The community as a whole clearly wants them- ergo, it should be the default setting.
this is the problem-- nobody is going to lodge a complaint in a survey for something we already have, so you are only going to get the negative responses, nobody is saying gee I should really let them know Id prefer it this way.
Same problem with the Super Reliever, although that's probably skewed to greater dislike- and had they only done either a price change or less innngs would have been sufficient.

This is not hard, folks. If you want the pre-1900s, just click the button.

On a personal note, I find the high-mindedness of "they're part of baseball history!" to be a tad disingenuous. These cards were selected to suit a style of play (10 of the 22 .400 hitters in the set are pre-1900). Most nominations are about getting better versions of specific players. Nature of the beast. That said, if we were actually, honestly, really worried about doing a "disservice" to the game, we'd drop the steroid HR hitters. Not to mention the racist Ty Cobb. How about all of the 1919 Black Sox?

But, of course, this isn't about any of that. It's just a dice game. Some of us are taking this (and ourselves) entirely too seriously. Let's play ball, shall we?

This is not hard, folks. If you want the pre-1900s, just click the button.

Its just something that should be automatic- and you see a bunch of folks who started leagues yesterday didn't actually realize what the issue was- as I spoke to the commish of one of em-
so difficulty aside why not make it the default?