ALERT: McGee and other 1985 cards wrong in DD

Marc: I've known about the '85 card disaster since February, 1986. But with Gooden, how do you know what the actual card reads instead of the 5-5 of SL vs lefties and 5-4 SL vs righties. I never use that Gooden card, but if those two singles were actually outs, the card would be worth something, which given how stupendous a year he actually had would right a 30 year old travesty.

With an iPad, you can tap on the bar chart regions and the exact count pops up. For Gooden, 9.25 and 7.4 SI Counts. In other words, those bogus SI(s) are both SI* 1, lo 2-20.

I just pulled out my physical card and that is what I see as well.

Thanks Steve!

I long ago tossed my '85 card set. No interest in the I pad or doing apps at all. But if you or someone reading this thread could post the corrections to some of the key 1985 cards, the entire community would be in your debt.

Thanks Steve!

I long ago tossed my '85 card set. No interest in the I pad or doing apps at all. But if you or someone reading this thread could post the corrections to some of the key 1985 cards, the entire community would be in your debt.

The bar graphs are correct. I realize they are figured for playing without ballpark ratings, but it's easy to figure out.

Illuminating discussion.
I do not rely on those color bar graphs at all, by the way. Fool's gold.

without going through all the cards, if anyone wants to post specific examples, (I.E. the the 5-5 L and 5-4 R on Gooden) I can tell you what it actually reads.

I never realized that if you just point the mouse over the color coded bar graphs that it gives you the exact percentage of the unit being measured, thus we do have all the data on the 1985 cards, we just have to work a bit to unearth it.

Wondering if SOM will even acknowledge their screw up, much less do anything about it. At the least you might think they would give us the Barfield '86 card and the Guerrero '87 card as a gesture of good faith, although at this point I don't think those two words are even in their lexicon, much less their business model.

I do like that Gooden is now usable but evidently those who priced him, and folks that is by a committee of SOM customers, originally Bdrool, but expanded to include such luminaries as Andy Cummings, Joe Silva and I believe, rburgh, among others, who must have had access to the correct numbers on the '85 Gooden card to price him even over 9 million.

I never realized that if you point at the right demarcation point of each type of way on base on the color coded bar graphs that it gives you the exact percentage of the unit being measured, thus we do have all the data on the 1985 cards, we just have to work a bit to unearth it.

Wondering if SOM will even acknowledge their screw up, much less do anything about it. At the least you might think they would give us the Barfield '86 Card and the Guerrero '87 card as a gesture of good faith, although at this point I don't think those two words are even in their lexicon, much less their business model.

I do like that Gooden is now usable but evidently those who priced him, and folks that is by a committee of SOM customers, originally Bdrool, but expanded to include such luminaries as Andy Cummings, Joe Silva and I believe, rburgh, among others, must have had access to the correct numbers on the '85 Gooden card to price him even over 9 million.

My question is, does this even tell us what result is programmed into the game engine? Who knows?

I never realized that if you point at the right demarcation point of each type of way on base on the color coded bar graphs that it gives you the exact percentage of the unit being measured, thus we do have all the data on the 1985 cards, we just have to work a bit to unearth it.

Don`t work with pct. SOM has excluded HBP from the overall chances, so for a guy with 2 HBP, everything is divided by 106 chances.

For singles, subtract 2 to get raw data (the bar cart assumes 8-8 stadium singles)

Yup, good points.

Here is the raw data that I have for Gooden:

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Pitchers   IP   SOvL   BBvL   HITvL OBvL   TBvL   HRvL   BPvL   DPvL   

Gooden,   277   34   6   7.4     13.4   7.5   0   0   0   
SOvR BBvR HITvR OBvR TBvR   HRvR BPvR DPvR
47   4   7.8   11.8   12.8   1.4   2   0


So Riggo is correct that the apparent singles on 5-5 and 5-4 are 1-1, LO 2-20, NOT straight singles.

This is the data that, as far as I know, was used to price him and, I assume, is also how it plays in the game.