Super Reliever POLL

I stated earlier I believe that Murray should be the most expensive pitcher in the entire set, whatever that price be.

Murray is only a .187 OBP card against righties with his E38 that makes him even worse against righties and in a park like Cleveland ’57 all of his advantages go poof. He is a good offset to the lefty teams that can be very difficult to beat. Tim Burke in many cases is a better pitcher. Haven’t heard many complaints about him yet, guess will take a year or so until people realize how to properly “use” him. With the 6,575 parks to choose from pricing is a bit relative

2 BP singles on the RH side. None of the left, and an R4. Small chance of a double on the left side (1-4, with a flyout). Burke's card is probably just as good, but he's an R3. Negligible, I suppose, but you gotta figure you'll get another 30-40 IP out of Murray, just because of that?

Between the Super Relief fiasco and bomber ball, feels like we're one step from constant video game results (what am I saying? we're already there).

What’s bomber bowl?

What about super Closers? RP with one inning and they garner 150 innings pitched. Coaches use them with only three relievers on their roster. Isn't this a similar issue? Eric Gagne pitching over 150 IP and Bruce Sutter at 200 innings, what is the difference?

Several replies all in one ...

Tim Burke is awesome. Better than Murray in some ways, but he's an R3 and Murray's an R4 which will garner Murray another 50+ innings.

They could simply fix a lot of things by making the reliever ratings lower and more in line with reality. As has been said, most of these guys averaged less than 2 innings per appearance yet they are rated R3's and R4's. Make them all R1's and R2's and their value goes way down and you'd need a pen with 3-4 "Super Relievers" instead of just 1 or 2.

Even in the 2017 set, you can do this with two R2's

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/team/1481066

until there is any evidence that there is literally ANYONE in charge listening the debate about this is entirely meaningless.

On pricing,
. (but, again, people would complain, because, evidently, when you spend $20 on something, you should get whatever you want, when you want it, how you want it).:-/

A long time ago you could get all that for $20, I'm not sure what a hooker with that type of repertoire is charging for an hour of frolic nowadays.

What’s bomber bowl?

Bomber ball=stacking teams with power hitters, in a cheapie HR park, with a crappy pitching staff. Trying to outslug your opponent, basically.

On pricing,
. (but, again, people would complain, because, evidently, when you spend $20 on something, you should get whatever you want, when you want it, how you want it).:-/

A long time ago you could get all that for $20, I'm not sure what a hooker with that type of repertoire is charging for an hour of frolic nowadays.

$100-$300. $160 about avg

What’s bomber bowl?

Bomber ball=stacking teams with power hitters, in a cheapie HR park, with a crappy pitching staff. Trying to outslug your opponent, basically.

Got it. Thanks.

On pricing,
. (but, again, people would complain, because, evidently, when you spend $20 on something, you should get whatever you want, when you want it, how you want it).:-/

A long time ago you could get all that for $20, I'm not sure what a hooker with that type of repertoire is charging for an hour of frolic nowadays.

$100-$300. $160 about avg

I am evidently out of the loop. Waaaaay out of the loop.