ATG 8 Poll #3

Vote for Billy Grabarkewitz!!! A great baseball name and everytime I spell it on here, that red squiggly line appears under it like it's misspelled!!! Fans agree, he'll look good on the scorecard.

Sincerely,
Delivery Boy...

I voted for Hoiles, Grabarkewitz, Finley, Russell, and Zernial.

I voted for Hoiles and Grabarkewitz to make sure they get in. Russell and Finley with the hope they might make a run. Zernial because I nominated him. I can't wait to see his card.

Sierra and Bouton would have gotten my vote but they clearly don't need the help anymore.

Just 3 hours left for voting, but here's how it stacks up at the moment (Thursday, March 26, 12:18pm est, 853 votes). If the poll closed now, these guys would be in -

Kershaw - 55
Bouton - 45
Pedroia - 39
Cummings - 35
Posey - 34
Rolen - 33
Abreu - 32
Beltre - 32
Ordonez - 30
Glaus - 29
L. Gonzalez - 29
Sierra - 28
Barnes - 27
Nelson - 27
Zernial - 27
Molina - 26
Reyes - 26
Hoiles - 24
Grabarkewitz - 22
Seward - 21

* Schupp, with 19 votes, hoping he gets a late push to sneak in.

I still say, drop a few 1990s TEAMS in. Our current scrubs are here because ATG used to be ALL TIME GREAT TEAMS. We are nominating a lot of 1990s-2000s STARS, but NO SCRUBS. Makes it difficult to create Franchise leagues with 1990s and up, or just a 80-100 cap team which needs cheap scrubs.

I say, drop in the 1994 Expos, 1993 Chicago White Sox, 2007 Rockies, 2008 Rays, 2003 Marlins, 2002 D'Backs, and 1998 Padres. These EXP franchises are weak. Could add a lot of new players to help franchise leagues, not to mention some new scrubs...........and while we're at it, add those corresponding parks as well.

I agree with the dropping in of teams, but I would put in the 2005 White Sox, 2009 Rockies, 1997 Marlins, 1999 D'Backs in addition to the Expo, Rays and Padre teams that you cited.

Bill

I'm a long suffering White Sox fan and while I admit that I'm not exactly impartial, of the original 16 franchises, I think the Sox have gotten shafted the most when it comes to the issuance of player cards in the post WWII and expansion sets, especially beginning after 1960.

From 1951-167, the Go Go White Sox had 17 straight winning seasons and the '59 Sox were the only team to win the pennant other than the Yankees during the 10 years from 1955 to 1964. The 1964 Sox won their last 10 games, but still lost the pennant to the Yankees by a scant single game. The 1967 Sox were in first place longer than other team in the AL that season, but eventually finished in 4th place, 4 games behind Boston, in what many consider to be the greatest pennant race of all time. The '67 Sox, known as the "hitless wonders", still hold the modern day record for lowest team ERA at 2.45.

From 1951 to 1967 the Sox had the 3rd most wins in major league baseball, but clearly do not have the 3rd most strato cards during that era.

There are a few usable Sox cards from the 1950s, but from that point forward the Sox are severely underrepresented in terms of players carded to the team.

I know that Hal Richman grew up as a diehard Yankees fan and that the Sox were the main competition for the Yankees from 1951 to 1964, but it is unlikely that Hal holds a grudge, as the Yanks won 14 pennants and 10 World Series from 1949 to 1964, so the Sox weren't much competition.

So in addition to the 1993 and 2005 Sox mentioned above by Andy and Bill, I'd like to see the 1964, 1967, 1974, 1977, 1983 and 2000 Sox teams added. Most, if not all of those teams have already been issued in super advanced format, so how hard could it be to add them? The '83 and 2000 Sox were division winners, the 1977 Sox won 90 games and were known as the Southside hitmen, while the '74 Sox had a few usable cards, including good Ken Hemderson and Jim Kaat cards, while the '64 and '67 Sox had great pitching and would provide upgraded cards, in the $9+ mil range, of Gary Peters and Joel Horlen. It would be nice to see a 1970 or '71 Bill Melton card, the first Sox player ever to hit more than HRs in a season, and the first Sox player to lead the league in HRs (1971).

While issuing all of the above Sox teams would go a long way towards making them competitive in franchise leagues, I don't expect it to happen any time soon.

But to be honest about it, I fail to understand why I, or anyone else for that matter, should have to go on this message board and PLEAD for my favorite teams and/or players. SOM has already issued most of the teams in super advanced format. Since those teams were released long ago by SOM, and sales are virtually flat on past seasons, I fail to understand why SOM cannot release a decade every month or two of complete seasons, including ALL teams from that decade. The cards are already created. All that would be needed is pricing.

Think of the possibilities such a release would create and the new members it would attract to the ATG online game.

How about it Mr. Richman?

blue jays franchise can use glaus,rolen and reyes.

disappointed WELLS had so few votes.

fill up the well!!!

I still say, drop a few 1990s TEAMS in. Our current scrubs are here because ATG used to be ALL TIME GREAT TEAMS. We are nominating a lot of 1990s-2000s STARS, but NO SCRUBS. Makes it difficult to create Franchise leagues with 1990s and up, or just a 80-100 cap team which needs cheap scrubs.

I say, drop in the 1994 Expos, 1993 Chicago White Sox, 2007 Rockies, 2008 Rays, 2003 Marlins, 2002 D'Backs, and 1998 Padres. These EXP franchises are weak. Could add a lot of new players to help franchise leagues, not to mention some new scrubs...........and while we're at it, add those corresponding parks as well.

I agree with the dropping in of teams, but I would put in the 2005 White Sox, 2009 Rockies, 1997 Marlins, 1999 D'Backs in addition to the Expo, Rays and Padre teams that you cited.

Bill

I'm a long suffering White Sox fan and while I admit that I'm not exactly impartial, of the original 16 franchises, I think the Sox have gotten shafted the most when it comes to the issuance of player cards in the post WWII and expansion sets, especially beginning after 1960.

From 1951-167, the Go Go White Sox had 17 straight winning seasons and the '59 Sox were the only team to win the pennant other than the Yankees during the 10 years from 1955 to 1964. The 1964 Sox won their last 10 games, but still lost the pennant to the Yankees by a scant single game. The 1967 Sox were in first place longer than other team in the AL that season, but eventually finished in 4th place, 4 games behind Boston, in what many consider to be the greatest pennant race of all time. The '67 Sox, known as the "hitless wonders", still hold the modern day record for lowest team ERA at 2.45.

From 1951 to 1967 the Sox had the 3rd most wins in major league baseball, but clearly do not have the 3rd most strato cards during that era.

There are a few usable Sox cards from the 1950s, but from that point forward the Sox are severely underrepresented in terms of players carded to the team.

I know that Hal Richman grew up as a diehard Yankees fan and that the Sox were the main competition for the Yankees from 1951 to 1964, but it is unlikely that Hal holds a grudge, as the Yanks won 14 pennants and 10 World Series from 1949 to 1964, so the Sox weren't much competition.

So in addition to the 1993 and 2005 Sox mentioned above by Andy and Bill, I'd like to see the 1964, 1967, 1974, 1977, 1983 and 2000 Sox teams added. Most, if not all of those teams have already been issued in super advanced format, so how hard could it be to add them? The '83 and 2000 Sox were division winners, the 1977 Sox won 90 games and were known as the Southside hitmen, while the '74 Sox had a few usable cards, including good Ken Hemderson and Jim Kaat cards, while the '64 and '67 Sox had great pitching and would provide upgraded cards, in the $9+ mil range, of Gary Peters and Joel Horlen. It would be nice to see a 1970 or '71 Bill Melton card, the first Sox player ever to hit more than HRs in a season, and the first Sox player to lead the league in HRs (1971).

While issuing all of the above Sox teams would go a long way towards making them competitive in franchise leagues, I don't expect it to happen any time soon.

But to be honest about it, I fail to understand why I, or anyone else for that matter, should have to go on this message board and PLEAD for my favorite teams and/or players. SOM has already issued most of the teams in super advanced format. Since those teams were released long ago by SOM, and sales are virtually flat on past seasons, I fail to understand why SOM cannot release a decade every month or two of complete seasons, including ALL teams from that decade. The cards are already created. All that would be needed is pricing.

Think of the possibilities such a release would create and the new members it would attract to the ATG online game.

How about it Mr. Richman?

In 1970 Bill Melton was the first White Sox to hit more than 30 Hrs in a season. He did it again leading the league in 1971. A Ripley's Believe it or not. The problem is the CWS had players past their prime like Early Wynn and Kluz or pre-prime like Agee, Buford, Tommy John or Gossage,

I agree the best way to add scrubs is to add full teams. Also agree if you left it to a nomination/vote method of selection it would become a popularity contest.

How about they plan for ATG9 when it arrives to add all World Series teams or at least all World Series winners?

True, that makes it tough for teams like the Cubs. So here would be another idea.
Run a set of polls. Announce now you are going to add one full team for each currently existing franchise.
30 teams, 30 separate polls. For each one Strat uses the 5 teams from that team's history with the most wins. Then we can all vote in each poll for the year we want. Top vote getter in each poll gets in the new set. ALL teams would get an equal infusion of new cards. Should set off a frenzy of new franchise theme leagues.

They could create a separate forum for new team/card polls and discussions. Take all the nominations that Bill has collected in his worksheets and break them up in to batches. The batches could be broken up in a number of different ways. Each batch would get a separate poll thread.
30 batches: one for each current existing franchise.

For the ongoing monthly additions:
12 batches: 8 for the 8 positions on the field, 1 for 8 SP, 1 for non * SP, 1 for RP, 1 for SP/RP cards

To keep balance you could take the top 2 for each of the pitching polls and 1 for each position.
so you are adding 8 position players and 8 pitchers. Or you take 2 from each position resulting in 24 cards added with a 16/8 batter to pitcher ratio. Or 2 from each position and 3 from each pitcher poll for a 16/12 ratio.

After the first poll results you could take the top 3 from each position and throw them in a separate additional batch/poll with all the cards that were for DH seasons and thus do not have a position listed on card to create a DH batch/poll. That way people would have a way to vote in a popular/deserving DH or cast their vote in the direction of a position they thought was needed more than other positions.

Bottom voter gets removed and the poll reset. When you vote do you try to push that card you want over the top for inclusion? Or do you vote for a card you would like who is in danger of dropping out due to no votes.

Wait, I don't get it. How is 2013 Clayton Kershaw already in ATG, but neither Miguel Cabrera's triple-crown season nor any of Mike Trout's historic first three seasons even get a nomination!!! Makes no sense to me

Rennie Stennett, "77. Craig Swan, Roger Freed, Felix Millan (Mets), Rusty Staub, to name a few

Rennie Stennett, "77. Craig Swan, Roger Freed, Felix Millan (Mets), Rusty Staub, to name a few

Staub does have a card with the Mets (1973). I presume the Swan you want is 1978 (league leading 2.43 ERA).

Need to upgrade the '69 Mets also to the new Super Advanced cards that came out earlier this year as well.

Other Mets we can add: Hunt (1964), Piazza (2000), McAndrew (1972), McGraw (1972), Frisella (1971), Magadan (1990).