Discussion Thread: ATG 8 Player Addition #3 Election

Bill,

Seriously, thank you for making the list;
I'm seeing a few guys that might be up for me-
some of them have a bit lower OBP and a few I have a vague recollection of not being a 1 or even a 2 fielder.
The hard part is not being able to see the card.

Having said that Ill definitely look at this list before I make my next nomination

Bill,

Seriously, thank you for making the list;
I'm seeing a few guys that might be up for me-
some of them have a bit lower OBP and a few I have a vague recollection of not being a 1 or even a 2 fielder.
The hard part is not being able to see the card.

Having said that Ill definitely look at this list before I make my next nomination

You're welcome. You can look at some of the cards (as you know, but there might some reading here who don't know) at the following:

2007 http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/playerset/browse/2007

2008 http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/playerset/browse/2008

2009 http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/playerset/browse/2009

2010 http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/playerset/browse/2010

2011 http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/playerset/browse/2011

2012 oh, you get the idea...

Rex Hudler http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/player/2857/1690/1/90 (turns out he's probably a 4)

Keith Lockhart http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/player/2359/1690/1/90 (probably a 4)

Eric Young http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/player/3515/1690/1/90 (probably a 4)

I remember the Giles and Loretta cards as being nice.

Bill

Dustin Pedroia 2008. Nice 1e6.

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/pl ... 008/1/2008

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Dustin Pedroia 2008. Nice 1e6.

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/pl ... 008/1/2008

Is this card any better than one of the Alomar cards? Would it sit on the FA list because no one wants to invest 9+ mil for it?
The answers are: NO and YES !! I'm of the opinion that we have plenty of high priced cards - it would be nice to have some usable lower priced options. You know, a 2B or 3B in the 4 - 5 mil range. And Franchise managers - Pedroia isn't a huge improvement over Bobby Doerr's 7.25 mil card. And I agree that it would be a huge help if the card image was provided for each of the nominees. Sometimes you aren't getting what you expected.

-The Sheik

p.s. - I'm just as full of crap as anyone else - just thought I'd share my thoughts

Sorry, didn't mean to be critical of anyone's nomination with the Pedroia comment, I almost always play in higher cap leagues so I tend to look at cards through that lens. I doubt that he'll be at 9 mil in ATG though, maybe around 7 mil because of his low E and near bulletproof injury ratings.

Wow. Just looked at the poll. I honestly don't get all the love for that Pedroia card.

Ill try and explain;

is there another 2b whose card we don't have any of- who would have a superior one?
(1e6 or similar who can hit at least a bit- as far as I see the Zobrist card is pretty similar, so is Pedroias 2011 season)
Last time I tried to get us a much superior Cano card, which failed- but can't do that here.

If so please tell me, seriously, b/c I will nominate them next go around.

Don't know about defense...but here's a very quick list of potential 2B candidates, just on their offensive numbers.

2000 Luis Castillo .344/.418/.388
1894 Cupid Childs .358/.475/.459
2005 Mark Ellis .316/.384/.477
2008 Mike Fontenot .305/.395/.514 (2e4)
2003 Marcus Giles .316/.390/.526
2009 Aaron Hill .286/.330/.499 (1e8)
1996 Rex Hudler .311/.337/.556
2006 Orlando Hudson .287/.354/.454
2011 Howie Kendrick .285/.338/.464 (2e6)
2013 Jason Kipnis .284/.366/.452 (2e13)
1997 Aaron Ledesma .352/.437/.500
1995 Keith Lockhart .321/.355/.478
2004 Mark Loretta .335/.391/.495
2011 Brandon Phillips .300/.352/.457 (1e6)
2007 Placido Polanco .341/.388/.458 (2e0)
1894 Heinie Reitz .303/.372/.504
1906 Sammy Strang .319/.423/.435
1995 Eric Young .317/.404/.474

That said, nothing at all wrong with Pedroia (MVP on top of it all).

Bill

too bad we can't get the 1971 Beckert card.

Im not offended;
but have a specific reason for nominating;

Which is to get more usable players in medium and high cap leagues- most of whom could also be used in lower caps.
We have plenty of OFs and 1Bs as I stated already- so getting more 2B, SS, C, 3B etc. to me is much better than getting even yet another 1b or OF similar to what we have.

A 4-5 million guy is unlikely to be used at a higher cap (unless they are weighted heavily for ex.); Im not saying don't nominate anyone in this range-
its totally fine- but he won't be used at the higher caps, and likely will have a much more limited use overall.

I think the Pedroia card will fall somewhere between the Alomar card and Doerr.
and again, if a guy is usable at high caps, there is a good chance he is usable through at least 100 mil- maybe lower.

Looks like we're going to get 3 quality thirdbasemen. Best 2b outstanding is 1884 Fred Dunlap, .412/.448/.621 with 1.069 OPS, 1 fielding range. Wouldn't sit well with the anti 1800's crowd, though.