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Clutch

PostWed Oct 10, 2012 12:01 am

Is anyone else as surprised as I am at how little positive or negative clutch comes into play...At least if the stats are to be believed.
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Re: Clutch

PostWed Oct 10, 2012 2:15 am

Not surprised at all, Michael. Years of playing the tabletop game, rolling dice and keeping stats have shown me how rarely the clutch roll applies. I'm currently playing a solitary season, just as a diversion, and after 128 games played, the clutch roll has only applied 24 times (15 neg. & 9 positive results). That's one in just a little over a 5 game average. Out of probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 9500-10,000 rolls, I'm estimating. That's why I don't worry about the clutch figures on a card, when putting together a team. That being said, I guarantee when the neg. clutch roll applies with a big playoff game on the line, you will never forget it. :P
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Re: Clutch

PostWed Oct 10, 2012 4:55 am

I am very confused by the lack of clutch coming into play. A few years ago I examined all 162 box scores for one of my 80 mill teams, recording clutch opportunities. I found around 85 for my team. I then started to do the same thing for another season but grew bored after about 40 games. That season the clutch was on pace to be in the mid 80's. Now my teams are gettin about 1/4 that. Unless I misread what a clutch opportunity is, something is not adding up.
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Re: Clutch

PostWed Oct 10, 2012 3:24 pm

Unless I misread what a clutch opportunity is


And what do you read? Hard to say you are right or wrong without knowing your interpretation.

I was thinking it was 2 outs and runners in scoring position. I think I read a study once where based on that definition depending on lineup position should occur 9 - 11 % of the time. At 10% and 600 PAs should be about 60 times. Half of those will have rolls on pitcher cards. So should happen about 30 times for any given hitter. And among those 30 PAs majority for even the best or worst clutch hitters would only be a fraction of those.

End result is it is probably a lot less meaningful than I tend to treat it on most teams.
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Re: Clutch

PostWed Oct 10, 2012 3:52 pm

I used two outs runners in scoring position for my study.

After reviewing the data Strat has given us, I realized I misinterpreted them. I wrongfully assumed that outs meant total chances in any given clutch situation. It actually means hits taken away. With that in mind the results seem pretty comparable to the study I did.
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Re: Clutch

PostWed Oct 10, 2012 4:02 pm

At least if the stats are to be believed.


Aren't we still watching a bunch of display glitches anyway? How else can Walter Johnson out-homer Vaughan and Mathews in my series last night? The only thing keeping my sanity intact is the belief that all this can be explained with display glitches.
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Re: Clutch

PostThu Oct 11, 2012 9:05 pm

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Re: Clutch

PostThu Oct 11, 2012 9:17 pm

But don't forget, when someone makes an out in a clutch situation, it means that the inning is over and the next batter doesn't get the chance to do more damage.
I always play for the six run inning.

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