Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

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Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostMon Dec 03, 2012 2:36 pm

Uh, no. I've struggled for a few years with Tom Seaver's '69 and '71 cards and also Gooden's '85 card especially compared to Hershiser of that year (the ballpark effects actually favored Hershiser significantly). But more on that later.

Today I was looking at Ed Kranepool's 1971 card. He is listed as a 3e17 at first base where he played 108 games (88 complete games) and logged 906 innings. That year he was the Mets' starting first baseman vs righties. Interestingly, Kranepool had the best fielding pct. of any qualifying NL first baseman that year. He made two errors at first base and had a .998 fielding pct. Compare this to Gold Glove winning Wes Parker who logged 1148 innings at first that year and made five errors with a .996 fielding pct. My point, in including Parker, is to show that Kranepool would have still made less than three errors (by extrapolation) had he played a full season, as did Parker, at first base.
So, perhaps SOM would be so good as to explain how Kranepool, who should be no more than an e3, is made an e17 (in a superadvanced season no less).

Now I know that the assignment of defensive ratings is done by committee at SOM, at least for the recent seasons. But unlike defensive ratings, e-ratings are not subjective assessments.

Looks like Strat, not Kranepool, dropped the ball here.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostMon Dec 03, 2012 2:41 pm

Fielding is considered a "value add" from Glen Head over competitors games. The group that rates the players fielding make it a subjective process, not based purely on stats. It's considered one of the many differentiators from other games like Action PC, APBA, etc., or at least that's how it had been done in the past.

Basically fielding ratings are decided on by committee.


LOL, you edited your post while I was saying the same thing.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostMon Dec 03, 2012 2:43 pm

Read my edited post, which I wrote prior to reading your response. Defensive ratings are not e ratings, they are range ratings that are independent of errors. And we also don't know if the recreated older seasons are done by committee or not.

And now I just read your edited response. :lol: Personally I think Kranepool was probably a 4 in range. But they still totally blew the e-rating for that card.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostMon Dec 03, 2012 2:46 pm

The Last Druid wrote:Read my edited post. Defensive ratings are not e ratings. And we don't know if the recreated older seasons are done by committee or not.


Posting simultaneously, sorry.

That does present another good question. I think the "by committee" approach is for Cadillac seasons, not Chevy or computer generated. For those you would definitely expect the e number to tie out to actual prorated stats. I agree.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostMon Dec 03, 2012 2:49 pm

I suspect by committee is done only for the current year. I bet the recreated cadillac seasons are done by the guy who did all the work, plus Richman. In any event, e-ratings are not done by committee, or at least they sure as hell shouldn't be.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostMon Dec 03, 2012 4:26 pm

It is ok for Strat to make an error in coding. However. they have to be willing to correct it when brought to their attention by the marketing community.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostMon Dec 03, 2012 7:31 pm

Seems to be no other explanation. Were the fielding pieces ever included in the regressions for the pitcher cards? i.e., like "clutch" for the hitters?

that seems to be a huge disconnect. Hope it's an error. Only a diehard proud Met fan would recall the lack of errors from Kranepool.

Always been disappointed with Seaver and Gooden cards. Not sure what the deal is. Monster years, dominating hurlers. Subpar cards.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostMon Dec 03, 2012 8:03 pm

Kranepool and his then ultra hot wife went to the same church I did as a kid.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostTue Dec 04, 2012 3:08 pm

The card in SOMO is the computer generated card. His rating in the SADV game is 3e4. I addressed this a couple of years ago when the 1971 Seaver became available (it is SADV), but Torre, Blue and the Pirates are not. Clemente would have a better card (1 injury chance vs 2, -6 arm vs -5). I also pointed out the 1977 Carew (2e11 vs 3e18) in addition to a host of others, trying to emphasize replacing computer generated cards with ones that had some research done to them as they became available, but received not one comment.
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Re: Strat o matic is statistically accurate??

PostTue Dec 04, 2012 3:37 pm

Funny you mention Kranepool's wife ... I came across this (in a collection of photos of NYC athletes and their wives during the 50s and 60s) just a few weeks ago.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hall- ... pmSlide=17
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