strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:53 am
by PJ Axelsson
Mike Garman served up a grand slam to Erstad last night, but his stat sheet shows him with an era of 0.00. Shouldn't he be responsible for Erstad scoring on the homer?
Team:
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/809918Game:
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/ga ... 267066/208Am I missing something? The batter he faced hit a home run off of him. That's his run, isn't it?
Re: strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:07 am
by drfreeze49
Duffy reached on an error with two outs....that would have been third out inning over...so Erstad's slam becomes unearned and hence the era of zero
Re: strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:05 pm
by PJ Axelsson
Still would think that run is on him, but I'm no scorer.
Re: strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:18 pm
by george barnard
If the error had been committed while Farmer was pitching and Garman came in and gave up the HR, then Garman would have had the earned run charged to him (but no earned runs charged to the team). Here's what the official rule book says:
Rule 10.16(i)
When pitchers are changed during an inning, the relief pitcher shall not have the benefit of previous chances for outs not accepted in determining earned runs.
Rule 10.16(i) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.16(i) to charge a relief pitcher with earned runs for which such relief pitcher is solely responsible. In some instances, runs charged as earned against the relief pitcher can be charged as unearned against the team. For example:
(1) With two out and Peter pitching, Abel reaches first base on a base on balls. Baker reaches first base on an error. Roger relieves Peter. Charlie hits a home run, scoring three runs. The official scorer shall charge two unearned runs to Peter, one earned run to Roger and three unearned runs to the team (because the inning should have ended with the third out when Baker batted and an error was committed).
(2) With two out, and Peter pitching, Abel and Baker each reach first base on a base on balls. Roger relieves Peter. Charlie reaches first base on an error. Daniel hits a home run, scoring four runs. The official scorer shall charge two unearned runs to Peter and two unearned runs to Roger (because the inning should have ended with the third out when Charlie batted and an error was committed). (this is what happened in your game)
(3) With none out and Peter pitching, Abel reaches first base on a base on balls. Baker reaches first base on an error. Roger relieves Peter. Charlie hits a home run, scoring three runs. Daniel and Edward strike out. Frank reaches first base on an error. George hits a home run, scoring two runs. The official scorer shall charge two runs, one of them earned, to Peter, three runs, one of them earned, to Roger and five runs, two of them earned, to the team (because only Abel and Charlie would have scored in an inning reconstructed without the errors).
Hope that's clear.
Bill
Re: strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:57 pm
by Valen
One might think that an earned run should be charged on the HR because no HR pitch no runs. But if an error would have been the third out the batter would not have hit at all. I think that is the reasoning behind the rule.
Re: strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:19 pm
by drfreeze49
Its not rocket science PJ...
Garman enters with two outs to face duffy...Duffy reaches on error...had Duffy been out inning over...however it allowed Erstad to bat bam home run all unerarned...If Garman had entered and only faced Erstad he would have been charged...
Re: strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:51 pm
by PJ Axelsson
I get it, but if Mike Garman wins any rolaids awards now I'm gonna protest!
Re: strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:29 am
by PJ Axelsson
Even better, it was Garman who made the error, so he saved his stat line by stinking up the joint.
Re: strange stat glitch
Posted:
Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:13 pm
by uvm87
In some instances, runs charged as earned against the relief pitcher can be charged as unearned against the team.
This explains some things I occasionally see in box scores, but I have to ask, what is the true team ERA? Is the sum of earned runs accumulated by each pitcher used or the number of team earned runs allowed as stated above? I have seen this in some of my box scores, but the sum of my pitchers earned runs is the same that is shown on the team stats page. It seems that this method of charging a pitcher with an earned run and charging the team with an unearned run is just plain worthless.
Or am I missing something?