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Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:32 pm
by andycummings65
In a theme league, I have a choice of two players who are similar offensively, but I must start one of them in center.

Player A is a 2(+2)4
Player B is a 3(-2)7

A is minutely better offensively, but not enough to matter.......

The 2 Range or the -2 arm?

Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:51 pm
by geekor
range 100%

But, still the one place where arm makes a huge difference is in CF. I'd really rather have both.

Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:53 pm
by andycummings65
I was leaning to the 2(+2), and I have a 2(-3) as a defensive sub.................

Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:35 pm
by scumby
The range is far more important. Many more X chances than base running chances. Frequently I see my poorer arms with more assists since HAL apparently doesn't like to challenge strong arms.

Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:04 pm
by Maxie Minoso
For what its worth, here's what I use to calculate a center fielder's defense:
2 range = +9 runs allowed per 700 PA
3 range = +19.5 runs allowed per 700 PA

+2 arm = +30.3 runs allowed per 700 PA
-2 arm = - 1.5 runs allowed per 700 PA

This note on arm ratings. The major factor with catchers' and outfielders' arm rating is the advances allowed or prohibited.

Maxie
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Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:52 pm
by hackra
2 (+arm) e4 is FAR superior to 3 (- arm) e4+ in my opinion.

That said, a 1(+++ arm) e7 would be even better

Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:08 pm
by scumby
Maxie Minoso wrote:For what its worth, here's what I use to calculate a center fielder's defense:
2 range = +9 runs allowed per 700 PA
3 range = +19.5 runs allowed per 700 PA

+2 arm = +30.3 runs allowed per 700 PA
-2 arm = - 1.5 runs allowed per 700 PA

This note on arm ratings. The major factor with catchers' and outfielders' arm rating is the advances allowed or prohibited.

Maxie
Disclaimer: May cause teeth gnashing, computer damage, cursing, and road rage up to eight weeks. Consult your doctor before using.


How did you calculate this?

Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:09 pm
by scumby
hackra wrote:2 (+arm) e4 is FAR superior to 3 (- arm) e4+ in my opinion.

That said, a 1(+++ arm) e7 would be even better


Yes, Rag arm, wet noodle bat Ben Revere is more valuable than a poor Cf with a strong arm

Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:13 pm
by geekor
scumby wrote:
Maxie Minoso wrote:For what its worth, here's what I use to calculate a center fielder's defense:
2 range = +9 runs allowed per 700 PA
3 range = +19.5 runs allowed per 700 PA

+2 arm = +30.3 runs allowed per 700 PA
-2 arm = - 1.5 runs allowed per 700 PA

This note on arm ratings. The major factor with catchers' and outfielders' arm rating is the advances allowed or prohibited.

Maxie
Disclaimer: May cause teeth gnashing, computer damage, cursing, and road rage up to eight weeks. Consult your doctor before using.


How did you calculate this?


I was wondering that too. It doesn't really go with Dean's Def vs Off thread from a long time ago.

Re: Center field defense

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:16 pm
by Valen
+2 arm = +30.3 runs allowed per 700 PA
-2 arm = - 1.5 runs allowed per 700 PA

Cannot help latching on to this. Some time back I built a database of card data and attempted to reduce everything to a runs created model. Challenge to do that with some of the ratings. Never could decide what values to assign related to arm ratings. So curious how you arrived at your numbers if you do not mind me being nosy and picking your brain.