High gbA pitchers and Low gbA hitters

Anyone have success of pitchers who induce more groundball double plays than others? Or good hitters that don't have many gbA's on their cards?

Short answer is yes

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Guess a better question would have been WHO are those pitchers/hitters? My team last season averaged about 1 double play per game and I was looking at how to improve on that

This can be especially useful in 200x when there are a number of pitchers with 12 double plays on both sides of their cards.
Thing is though no way of knowing how much salary is added for such pitchers. The 11.3 Maddux card has extra gbA and cannot help wondering how much that accounts for being highest priced pitcher in set.

A small pet peeve of mine that there may be other pitchers over the years who were great at inducing double plays but not reflected on their cards because the card is not from a cadillac season. Double pet peeve when player is from a set that does have a cdrom cadillac version of card available but for whatever reason we cannot get it here. Triple pet peeve in that hitters from such chevy seasons get saddled with more gbAs on their card than they deserve because they come from a season where no pitchers had any and thus all double plays had to be accounted for off hitter cards.

One more pet peeve and I get a pet peeve HR. Alas as in my playing days I get thrown out at the plate here.

A small pet peeve of mine that there may be other pitchers over the years who were great at inducing double plays but not reflected on their cards because the card is not from a cadillac season.

Valen, I wonder if it's kinda like the clutch rating. Not really saying said hitter is a clutch hitter, but instead manipulating results for the hitter to make him produce the number of RBI he had in the real life season. I don't think the gbA rating is necessarily saying THIS pitcher does a great job of inducing groundball outs, but more along the lines of trying to help that pitcher recreate his seasonal stats.............

No I think the gbA is directly tied with the number of double plays induced. Check out the 2012 Matt Harrison card. Has 12 on both side. Check out the Cliff Lee card in this ATG set.

This relates some to strat history.

Now at one time no pitcher had gbA on their cards. That was in my childhood but we won't go there. This was before the super advanced days. In those day all double plays either came from the fielding chart or off hitter cards. As a consequence hitters had extra double plays on them. Then came the super advanced version where the amount of gbAs on pitcher card reflected the number of double plays the pitcher gave up. At the same time since double plays could be on pitcher cards the number on the hitters cards was reduced though for each hitter the number still in theory reflected how often that hitter was involved in a double play.

Say for example a hitter who hit in to 20 real life double plays might have 25 double plays on his card before the super advanced days. After that same hitter might have only 15 on his card because he was going to hit in to a certain number on pitcher card rolls.

Not a problem if you played hitters within their own seasons. But when you mix them there is a statistical skew that happens. Bat that chevy version hitter where all his double plays are reflected on his card against cadillac version pitchers and he will hit in to more double plays than perhaps he should, say 25 instead of 20. Likewise bat a cadillac season hitter who is configured expecting some double plays to come from the pitcher card against only chevy pitchers and he will hit in to fewer, say 15 instead of 20.

Now obviously the numbers I throw out are for the sake of the example. I have not done mathematical calculations or multiple cdrom simulations to say just how much difference mixing them makes. But it does make some difference. One assumes that difference is accounted for in the pricing and if the adjustment is accurate may not matter. Still all other things being equal I would rather have the cadillac verson of both the hitter and pitcher so the double plays on the card more accurately reflect the real life performance.

Now if there is no cadillac version available then that is how it is. i would rather have the chevy version of say 61 Mantle than no version. But since a cadillac version is now available then that is what I want in the online game. I think it is reasonable given that we pay to play to have the most accurate and advanced card possible for every player, especially now that Strat is totally in charge and there is no middle man.

Only slightly off-topic are the HBPs which only occur on hitters cards. I'm sure some pitchers are particularly likely to hit batters but it isn't reflected in the nature of the cards. A few HBPs would make Pedro a little less valuable but more fun.

Interesting. I never noticed there were no HBP on pitcher cards. But no doubt some pitchers plunk hitters at higher rates than others.

Thats quintesential

other situations can be avoided by looking where fly balls go to less defensive fielders
law of probabilities its all good lol