What lineup would you use?

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What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 11:01 am

Hey!

What RH SP lineup would you use with these players and why?

Giambi, Jason
Hamilton, Billy
Griffey Jr., Ken
Ramirez, Manny
Belle, Albert
Mauer, Joe
Knoblauch, Chuck
Rodriguez, Alex
Larkin, Barry

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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 3:16 pm

Now I'm not especially accustomed to 200 mil-like leagues but a lineups a lineup and this looks fun:


Hamilton
Larkin
Giambi
Ramirez
Mauer
Rodriguez
Griffey
Belle
Knoblauch

OBP is the most important statistic, especially in leadoff so Hamilton and Larkin go nice 1-2. Who's gonna drive in who more? A walk and homerun or a homerun and a walk? Hamilton leadoff although I'm in general not too in love with his game in 60-100 million. Giambi is a hard guy to figure out that I have no experience with. Against righties #3, he's got the best BR with that OBP.

Initially, I thought Ramirez lower but even with his balance, he's still better than Rodriguez, Mauer, Griffey, Belle. Better than all 4 in OBP except Mauer (so he'll go 5). Plus, you don't wanna stick Ramirez down low for some onesided guy who can't destroy lefties, this way when the oppoenent switches, Ramirez is still in the primo run producing spot.

The bottom of the order is an embaressment of riches. ..well expect for MR. Knoblauch but he'll do plenty fine maybe
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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 3:19 pm

actually scratch that. I think I'd switch Larkin and Rodriguez. Rodriguez has a slightly better OBP by like 30 points and NO gbA's plus is lessens his bad clutch.

Although against lefties (against relievers) you've then kinda got an out of place guy in Rodirugez. Not that much though, +500 Obp vs lefties and the speed if we're talking his 10.33 card.
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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 3:25 pm

Thanks or the help. That is close to what I used. Larkin (in real life) was probably the best #2 hitter in baseball. I was going to try to flip flop larkin and Griffey. Some people do not know how good the man-ram is against RHP.

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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 4:21 pm

The nan-ram also has no groundball A's either.

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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 8:40 pm

I'd bat Larkin 9th against righties. His offense sucks at 200M.
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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 9:52 pm

Why does his offense suck at 200-mill at shortstop? His OBP rocks and he has 8-ballparks both ways.

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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 10:16 pm

Petrosian, er The Last Druid, may be overstating for effect when he says "sucks." I'd rank Barry as the 4th best hitting SS in the set behind Vaughan, Wells, and Rodriguez. Of course, he's better in the field than any of them but A Rod so there's that. In general you get what you pay for and Barry's $10.88M salary means he's an elite SS. That's why you may want to rethink your assertions about the $7.99M Manny Ramirez in another thread. True Manny can hit but he's a) a slug, b) carries an iron glove, and c) is fragile.
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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 10:23 pm

REASONS WHY LARKIN STINKS AT $200M

#1 - Spending cash for SBs are over rated in any league over $80M and madness in leagues over $100
#2 - Where do you bat him? He's a marginal leadoff vs lhp and you must bat him #8 or #9 vs rhp

I notice you get wrapped up in stats...you may consider stop quoting stats and come up with a home made conversion formula to convert the cards into projected OPS values and of course those conversions will be park dependent...you need to consider the park and ballpark homers and understand how to convert those into runs...YES the successful owners do it and you need to come up with a way to do it, no one is going to spoon feed you the formula...you'll find in about 5 weeks after your first few $200M leagues hit the finish line that a group of the same owners consistently finish in the 85 to 95 win category, look at their rosters and then CARDS not the real life stats, but the CARDS and see how the ballpark homers were converted in their home parks...you'll find that the owners that understand that one concept do consistently better at $200M...yes there is more to $200M than just ballpark homers and home park, but that is a key jumping off point...Druid, Nevdully's and many others more qualified than myself, have been trying to help you out here and when they give a suggestion you just spit back the stats on their cards, but that won't win you games..MUST FIGURE OUT HOW TO PROJECT the dice rolls into PREDICTABLE OPS projections, if you haven't developed that model yet then you need to stop wasting money at $200M and go back to $80M auto leagues for a month or so and start working on your modeling formula and test it out until you feel you can start ACCURATELY projecting players....cuz Larkin STINKS in $200M, I've never had him, but I've NEVER seen him break 800 OPS in the 5 $200M leagues I've finished and the 6 or so others I'm currently in...so where do you bat a 790 OPS kinda guy?????? #9 like DRUID says.
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Re: What lineup would you use?

PostWed Aug 14, 2013 10:35 pm

You traded me Boudreau in this same league last week before season began...some on here urged you to keep Boudreau and trade Larkin, since Larkin's rep tends to fetch more in trade....Larkin is SIGNIFICANTLY better with his running which is nice to bat leadoff vs. lhp, but overall Boudreau CONSISTENTLY puts up better OBA and in total OPS are usually a dead heat in $200M leagues.

So where do you think I bat Boudreau who has MUCH better OBA than Larkin???

Here's my lineup vs rhp in that league:

1 Stearnes CF
2 Musial, Stan LF
3 Walker, Larry RF
4 Pujols, Albert 1B
5 Giles, Brian DH
6 Gehringer, Charlie 2B
7 Santo, Ron 3B
8 Boudreau, Lou SS
9 Fisk, Carlton C
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