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Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:27 am
by mikesuds
No ball park home run should be allowed on any roll beyond 1-10. 50/50 odds on a home run are extreme enough. To assume odds are that 19 out of 20 fly balls hit to one field will result in home runs is asinine, whichever the ball park. Totally unrealistic. In real life, a batter trying to pull a ball into the short porch at Yankee Stadium is just as likely to dribble a ball to the shortstop off the end of his bat and become an easy out. And not just one time out of 20.

I have just participated in a season where 4-6 ball park home runs a game was the norm. There was just a playoff game in my league where eight home runs were hit. That outcome is absurd.

If the powers that be want to turn SOM into a video game, then let them develop an effen video game.

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:47 am
by dcmt
You are forgetting that the hitter most certainly has fly ball rolls on his card that are not associated with ballpark homers. Not to mention the same thing for the pitcher. Even in a very HR friendly park the HR to fly ball ratio would never be close to 19:1

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:23 am
by beavis
Seems to me there should be an option when setting up a league to play the cards "purely" - without the ballpark factors. In ATG especially, they can distort things.

Of course, another option is to play at a lower cap, where it's harder to pile up bopper after bopper.

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:32 am
by bkeat23
beavis wrote:Seems to me there should be an option when setting up a league to play the cards "purely" - without the ballpark factors. In ATG especially, they can distort things.

Of course, another option is to play at a lower cap, where it's harder to pile up bopper after bopper.


Or set up a theme league with all parks with a set BP HR number, under 3, or 1.

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:33 pm
by rburgh
The ballpark HR ratings are intended to reflect the fact that some ballparks allow a lot more HR than others. They have chosen the method they do to minimize the number of ballpark HR shots required on the cards of the big boppers to produce the effect they want. If they limited it to 1-10, they would have to chew up another 8 rolls off of big bopper hitter cards to produce the equivalent effect, and that would limit their opportunities to do other things with those numbers.

Their ability to "exactly" reproduce major league baseball is limited by the fact that only 216 rolls are possible using three six-sided dice. They do a pretty good job of it. The dice-and-cards version of Pursue the Pennant, despite using three 10-sided dice, didn't do as good a job IMHO. Numerous other baseball sims have also come and gone, and Strat is still around because it's simple and reasonably realistic.

You've got to remember, this is a game site, not a fantasy baseball site. The game is what it is. You're welcome to come up with a new model for a game and try to market it if you don't like their attempt. Good luck!

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:40 pm
by carumba10
mikesuds wrote:No ball park home run should be allowed on any roll beyond 1-10. 50/50 odds on a home run are extreme enough. To assume odds are that 19 out of 20 fly balls hit to one field will result in home runs is asinine, whichever the ball park. Totally unrealistic. In real life, a batter trying to pull a ball into the short porch at Yankee Stadium is just as likely to dribble a ball to the shortstop off the end of his bat and become an easy out. And not just one time out of 20.

I have just participated in a season where 4-6 ball park home runs a game was the norm. There was just a playoff game in my league where eight home runs were hit. That outcome is absurd.

If the powers that be want to turn SOM into a video game, then let them develop an effen video game.


Sadly, the sooner you realize that this is a video game the sooner you will start potentially enjoying it more. You know when some movies advertise a popular actor in their movie? So you go to the movie and realize the actor you wanted to see actually only has a cameo appearance? Same thing here. You see the strat-o-matic name but it really isn't. More a cameo appearance.

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:59 pm
by Radagast Brown
I disagree. I think the ballpark home run ratings are extremely realistic. The fact is it is a lot easier to hit HRs in certain parks than in others. One thing to remember is the game is made to be played with real teams and any time you have these all-star leagues the stats will be skewed a bit.

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:05 pm
by rburgh
This game is actually very close to the computer game as it existed about 10 years ago. The thing about ATG is that there are very few bad players - go look at a 20xx card set and count the percentage of guys with salaries over any given number, then do the same here.

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:34 pm
by FUDU
rburgh wrote:The ballpark HR ratings are intended to reflect the fact that some ballparks allow a lot more HR than others. They have chosen the method they do to minimize the number of ballpark HR shots required on the cards of the big boppers to produce the effect they want. If they limited it to 1-10, they would have to chew up another 8 rolls off of big bopper hitter cards to produce the equivalent effect, and that would limit their opportunities to do other things with those numbers.

Their ability to "exactly" reproduce major league baseball is limited by the fact that only 216 rolls are possible using three six-sided dice. They do a pretty good job of it. The dice-and-cards version of Pursue the Pennant, despite using three 10-sided dice, didn't do as good a job IMHO. Numerous other baseball sims have also come and gone, and Strat is still around because it's simple and reasonably realistic.

You've got to remember, this is a game site, not a fantasy baseball site. The game is what it is. You're welcome to come up with a new model for a game and try to market it if you don't like their attempt. Good luck!


This.

Re: Ball Park Home Runs

PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:57 pm
by Valen
despite using three 10-sided dice

Never seen a 10 sided die. That would be interesting. I do have one of the 20 sided die that Strato once sold with the board game. Assume the still do. Though not sure if I could lay my hands on that old thing quickly right now. But I know it is in the closet somewhere with all my old cards.