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Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:45 pm
by mighty moose
Is the 1994 Bags (Bagwell) considered 600+ ab+bb ? I know this is a strike shortened year, but I would hate to upgrade from his cheaper card only to find out he is in a cast for 40% of the season. His card only shows 400+65 AB+BB and an injury on the 12 - but it's really not clear to me if they are taking the strike into consideration.

thanks

MM

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:57 pm
by motherscratcher
Far as I know, Bags is a 15 game injury risk

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:02 pm
by Salty
yes,

Bags would be a 15 game risk, and think the strike is not taken into consideration-
same as the NeL guys; meaning they played a full season but still have 15 game injury potential.

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:16 pm
by visick
I think the Big Hurt is the only guy that doesn't go down for 15 with the '94 cards

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:21 pm
by mighty moose
Stinks. Bagwell played 110 of his teams 115 games and was MVP for the NL for that year. 110/115 sure doesn't merit a 15 game injury result for my 11.6 million in cold hard cash. And no one has every complained before ? Seems to me an override can be easily programed for players of that year. :roll:

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:35 pm
by The Last Druid
Injuries are a disaster throughout the entire set of ATG cards. But if Bagwell weren't a 15-game injury risk, his card would be priced higher than it currently is. What really gets me about that year is Lofton, and several others, Moises Alou being another prominent example being a 15 game injury risk. That said, I'm much more concerned about the dozens of cards that played in every game their team played in a given season and still have injuries on their card. The whole injury system hearkens back to prior to the advent of even the 20 sided die. It's way too primitive and needs to be made consistent and more realistic. I think the main thing that SOM has done with injuries, relative to the board game, is make them more likely to recur after a player has previously been injured. That trend has been very evident with the new injury logs. I also still adhere to my belief in "batch" injuries wherein the same guy gets injured on the same night on multiple teams. I've experienced it countless times, and though this was a hotly debated concept ten years ago, nothing was ever resolved except that people seemed to agree to disagree about it. Just another example of SOM's paranoia-based lack of transparency with the game engine.

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:17 pm
by FRANKMANSUETO
If there was NO strike in 1994. Bagwell would might not have played another game that season. He broke his hand when HBP in on of the last games he played in. If he did come back that season and there was no strike not sure how effective he would have been. He lucked out with an injury only on 12. He would of had it on either a 2/11 or 3/10.

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:28 pm
by chuckwonup
I have to agree with The Last Druid about the injury ratings being a mess and also have similar suspicions about players being injured an incredible number of times that defy's the odds. My example would be Hugh Duffy in a season recently being injured 8x's for a total of 16 games. He has the 3 game limit. I have regularly had players with the 3 game limit get no injury at all during the season, 3 on that team alone- but he ends up getting injured 8x's. Just does not fit.

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:43 pm
by Salty
I think this batch thing was brought back up a couple years ago-

Seem to remember Nap Lajoie getting injuries of varying length on the same night on 5 of my teams-
Josh Gibson is another one that happened to a lot.

Re: Bags 11.60 injury risk

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:07 am
by STEVE F
As far as the batch theory, random numbers do tend to cluster. I would never bet red after 5 consecutive blacks on a roulette wheel for example, but most people would, and they would be absolutely wrong. Just my 2 cents