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The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:29 pm
by chris.sied@yahoo.com
Definitive proof that the DH can be moved into the field even when there are available options on the bench.

Game 1 of the series, Three Finger is the opposing pitcher, Frank Thomas is the DH and Pujols is at 1st. Pujols takes a 3 game injury, and Elston Howard moves in (why him HAL???) rather than moving Jack Clark in and putting in a new right fielder.

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/game/430519/507

Game 2. Kevin Brown is the opposing pitcher. Thomas moves to 1st, Canseco comes in as the DH.

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/game/430519/513

But you say, "Kevin Brown is a reverse righty, and how do we know that Thomas was not set as the 1st baseman against reverse righties?" Well correct you are, so I present game 3. Bob Gibson is the opposing starter, so it should be the same lineup as game 1 of the series, only with a sub in for Pujols. But again, Thomas is at 1st, but now Strawberry has moved into the DH role.

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/game/430519/519

I always list Thomas as the backup 1st baseman on the odd chance that this will happen, and there it did. Even with Jack Clark playing in the field, and Elston Howard sitting on the bench, Frank Thomas moved from DH into the field. Pujols sits out the 1st game tonight, so it will be interesting to see how the lineup shakes out.

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:03 pm
by MARCPELLETIER
Interesting. I have Allen as a dh who is my backup 1st, 3rd, and lf. Will test if the same occurs.

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:58 pm
by cgermano55
Try listing Clark as the backup 1st baseman instead of Thomas and list Strawberry as the backup rightfielder. That should keep Thomas at DH next time Pujols gets injured.

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:11 am
by sjudd
Alright, newbie question here, but what is the expectation in game 3? If the DH is the backup at 1b and the regular 1b is out, then the DH plays 1b and the backup DH or whoever HAL picks is DH, no? All I'm going by is http://somonline.wikia.com/wiki/Lineup_Depth_Chart , but it looks like there is something I am missing. Thanks.

Edited to add:

Maybe the question is why Elston Howard in Game 1? If the DH is moved to a position in the field, the pitcher then bats in the replaced fielder's position in the lineup and the team gives up the right to have a DH, per rule 5.11. HAL was preventing the pitcher having to bat?

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:18 am
by MARCPELLETIER
Dick Allen set as a dh, and plays at first base for an injured Bagwell.

Sjudd, it's a well known bug that the system would never move the dh out of position, even before a game started.

We'll have to figure out if it works only for first base or for another position as well. I have set Allen to backup 3rd base and left field.

http://365.strat-o-matic.com/game/430811/38

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:27 am
by sjudd
OK, thank you.

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:02 am
by chris.sied@yahoo.com
cgermano55 wrote:Try listing Clark as the backup 1st baseman instead of Thomas and list Strawberry as the backup rightfielder. That should keep Thomas at DH next time Pujols gets injured.


Actually, I want Thomas at 1st, but didnt think it would happen because of the aforementioned bug that seems to leave the DH alone. Clark is a mess at 1st with that 4e21 rating, so I would prefer to put thomas at 1st over him. What I need, and didnt realize I didnt have set up properly, is to put Thomas at 1st, move Clark from 1st tor DH, and then put Strawberry in right. That is how I have it set up now.

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:04 am
by chris.sied@yahoo.com
sjudd wrote:Alright, newbie question here, but what is the expectation in game 3? If the DH is the backup at 1b and the regular 1b is out, then the DH plays 1b and the backup DH or whoever HAL picks is DH, no? All I'm going by is http://somonline.wikia.com/wiki/Lineup_Depth_Chart , but it looks like there is something I am missing. Thanks.

Edited to add:

Maybe the question is why Elston Howard in Game 1? If the DH is moved to a position in the field, the pitcher then bats in the replaced fielder's position in the lineup and the team gives up the right to have a DH, per rule 5.11. HAL was preventing the pitcher having to bat?


I dont understand why Howard went in rather than Clark moving from RF to 1st, and then Strawberry to right. Of course, HAL will never take the DH and put him in the field as that inserts the pitcher into the lineup.

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:00 pm
by MARCPELLETIER
http://365.strat-o-matic.com/game/430811/278

This time, my left fielder gets hurt. That caused no problem for Hal, as Allen, who is set as my dh, took the call in the field and played left field for the two games.

Seems like SOM addressed the issue of DH

Re: The DH is untouchable. Except when it's not

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:01 pm
by chris.sied@yahoo.com
Well yes he did. So it is not just first base.

If the DH issue is fixed, this is excellent news. It opens up so much more flexibility. You getting to use Gant as the DH there rather than watching Jim Jackson presumably come in for Bonds is a great upgrade to that team.

I have still only had this happen at 1st base, but I have a team now where Hack Wilson is the DH and serves as the first backup CF. If anything happens on that front, or any other team where the DH has to go dig out his glove and hit the field, I will post it.