Strat-O-Matic Baseball 365

In the Semi Finals. Game 5, Ryne Duren comes in in the 6th inning against me to relieve. He pitches into the 9th inning before leaving at F0 fatigue rating:

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The very next night, he gets the start and comes back at F9 fatigue rating:

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This is wrong. This is a clear flaw in Strat's game. I have contacted them about this previously. They knows it's an issue but have yet to fit it? They say they're "aware of it and working to fix it".

Disclaimer: Yes, I won the game so ultimately it didn't hurt me. (In fact, I was the clearly weaker team so I was lucky to advance.)

Noticed you were able to get 337 innings from Bruce Sutter during the regular season. I see that as a bigger issue than the occasional relief appearance of a starting pitcher. Just my two cents worth...

This team was built for the HBP monthly contest, so I had to go to extreme measures to try to insure a winning record because the team was not a truly viable team otherwise. What you didn't mention was that the team I beat got 335 innings out of Murray as well.

But, I don't disagree with you one bit. I am not a regular abuser of super relievers, but I do dabble in them on occasion. I wouldn't be unhappy in the slightest if they were eliminated or curtailed.

I have made multiple suggestions on the boards and to Strat about how to correct it over the years. Reduce R ratings, raise prices of R3 or higher pitchers, etc. But I doubt they ever will.

But in my opinion, super relievers are a carding, R rating and pricing issue ... Whereas I perceive this is an actual GAME PLAY issue. A flaw in the game itself.

Definitely a problem with that pitcher being allowed to pitch as a starter so soon after relieving. The challenge for the game company, in this case, would be to "force" Ed Farmer to pitch Game 6 instead of Duren. There's not always going to be a rested "Ed Farmer" available to pitch depending on roster construction and usage, so, things could really get ugly for a team with limited pitching resources if a software improvement was implemented that would prevent Duren from starting the game.

Rich, I think there is a bigger problem with pitching, it is roster construction. REAL major league teams today use 15+ pitchers in a season, we use 10, sometimes 9 or 11. Because there are no limits on IP or AB, players are used VERY unrealistically. It is a game, played by a computer, subject to rules that do not always correspond to reality, and without more limits, it never will.

My feeling is that the best way to do away with abuse of the super reliever or hitters like Gates Brown would be a "drop dead" feature that would kick in once a player exceeds 20 pct. more innings pitched or PA than they did in real life. The player would than be allowed to be dropped and replaced [at any point of the season ] for 60% of his card value. I am not a computer guy but I think this is some thing that could done.

That certainly would limit role players, but also pitchers who pitched just over 200 innings and are 4 day starters would have to be replaced by much lower value guys. Only 300 plus inning starters would be of much value. Also we have no real control over how often HAL uses a closer. Some of them throw 70 innings some 100+ even with settings that attempt to limit IP on a "closer to real life" staff.

paul8210 wrote:Definitely a problem with that pitcher being allowed to pitch as a starter so soon after relieving. The challenge for the game company, in this case, would be to "force" Ed Farmer to pitch Game 6 instead of Duren. There's not always going to be a rested "Ed Farmer" available to pitch depending on roster construction and usage, so, things could really get ugly for a team with limited pitching resources if a software improvement was implemented that would prevent Duren from starting the game.

I believe, but have zero way of knowing for sure. That it was intended that way by my opponent, and kudos to him if it was, the game allowed it and he may have taken advantage of it. I'm guessing he put Farmer in the rotation prior to game 5 and took Duren out. Then set Duren for all relief rolls because Murray was unavailable after pitching games 4 & 5. So he tricked HAL into using Duren for all rolls and then put him back in the rotation for game 6 potentially knowing this glitch would allow him to start at F9 despite being F0 just a day earlier.

I posted about this a month or two back with the same thing happening with Greg Maddux pitching 5-6 innings in relief and then being F9 the next game and tossing a complete game.

1787 wrote:My feeling is that the best way to do away with abuse of the super reliever or hitters like Gates Brown would be a "drop dead" feature that would kick in once a player exceeds 20 pct. more innings pitched or PA than they did in real life. The player would than be allowed to be dropped and replaced [at any point of the season ] for 60% of his card value. I am not a computer guy but I think this is some thing that could done.

Seems that that would certainly solve the problem, or actually eliminate it because few people would go through that multiple times in a season.

mykeedee wrote:Rich, I think there is a bigger problem with pitching, it is roster construction. REAL major league teams today use 15+ pitchers in a season, we use 10, sometimes 9 or 11. Because there are no limits on IP or AB, players are used VERY unrealistically. It is a game, played by a computer, subject to rules that do not always correspond to reality, and without more limits, it never will.

But, most teams have about a 12 man staff and the ability to move guys up and down from the farm system or free agency or trade or whatever and with cap hits you can't really do that in this game. And if you eliminated cap hits, people would be swapping out players every day based upon the next nights matchup so it's a catch 22.

I believe if you want to eliminate super reliever abuse make any pitcher R3 or higher substantially more expensive. I think Murray and Sutter should both be about 8 million. Burke at least 7 million. Better yet, just eliminate everything above R2. Because even an R2 can easily go 3-4 innings on occasion. But you wouldn't have Murray pitching 8-12 innings every series that's for sure.