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groundball A+

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 12:00 pm
by STEVENSTEFFANNI
Ive noticed in the 365 leagues when I have a fast runner on 1st base and a groundball A+ is rolled for my batter its always a double play....doesnt the sim game hold runners on base?

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 2:17 pm
by STEVE F
Super advanced. It's all in the rules
https://somonline.fandom.com/wiki/Strat ... Game_Rules

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 3:58 pm
by STEVENSTEFFANNI
the only mention in the rules is the groundball ++....no mention of a groundball +....from my strat cards day wasnt there groundball A+ and a groundball A++.......dont see any computer cards with the ++ on them....apparently holding runners on or having the infield in has no bearing on the play card

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 4:12 pm
by STEVE F
I can see you didn't read it all

(23.8) Holding runners on base
(23.81) A runner may be held on base when the infield is playing Back. Additionally in Super Advanced Play, any runner may be held when the infield is playing the Corners In.

(23.82) Depending on the runner's base, he is held on by different fielders. Consult the RUNNER BEING HELD CHART on Page 15 to determine who has responsibility for holding the runner (the fielder covering the runner's current base and, if the potential steal is at second base, the infielder who would be taking the throw from the catcher).

(NOTE: Use the Runner Being Held Chart to determine the infielders responsible for holding runners, which supercedes the table titled, "Super Advanced Holding Runner Chart" on the Super Advanced Fielding Chart.)

(23.83) When an infielder is responsible for holding a runner and a gb()X is hit to him, add 1 to that fielder's range rating. Example: With a runner held at first and a lefthanded hitter at the plate, a shortstop rated 2e20 becomes 3e20. The maximum range rating is 5.

(23.84) Do not award a SINGLE** on a "gb()+" while runners are being held on base. Instead, when a gb()X to an infielder responsible for holding the runner results in a symbol followed by a "#", change that result to "SI2" (single, with all runners advancing two bases).

(23.85) When a runner is held on first or second, subtract 1 from his running rating when that rating is needed to determine whether he can advance an extra base on another player's hit. If the baserunner is not being held, add 1 to his running rating.

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 6:35 pm
by joethejet
GBA+ is still a single when the infield is all the way in (not just corners in)

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 7:31 pm
by STEVENSTEFFANNI
guess im used to the paper cards...so apparently a runner being held on 1st by the 1B will advance on a single only if its a dbx to the 1B and then its no sure thing

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 8:00 pm
by STEVE F
STEVENSTEFFANNI wrote:guess im used to the paper cards...so apparently a runner being held on 1st by the 1B will advance on a single only if its a dbx to the 1B and then its no sure thing

Right, but it will also cost the 1bman 1 range rating, and the shortstop (for a lefty batter) or 2Bman (for a righty batter) 1 range rating.
So in other words, the old single ++ was replace by penalizing the fielders responsible for holding the runner on.
these rules also apply to the paper cards if you're playing super advanced version

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:53 pm
by jgmadigan
The default league is set for standard. If you're playing "standard", when does gba+ turn into a single.

Here are the rules. I'm not sure how to interpret them for the default "standard" league if a runner is being held or the infield is in. Anybody have insight?

BASIC BOARD GAME
(6.1) GROUNDBALL()++: This result occurs only on batters' cards. Ignore the "++" and treat the result as any other groundball reading.

(6.2) For added realism: If the infield is in or a runner is being held, regard any groundball()++ reading as a SINGLE** (all other runners advance two bases).

ADVANCED / SUPERADVANCED BOARD GAME
(17.11) The Advanced-side batter's card reading is abbreviated from "GROUNDBALL ()++" to "gb()+". Use Basic game rule 6.1.

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:36 pm
by labratory
Don't tell anyone.
The trick is to have all of your infielders with a 5 rating. Then it doesn't matter if you hold the runners on or not.

Re: groundball A+

PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:40 pm
by Whoopycat
From my days playing the PC version, HAL pulls the infield in so rarely that I think about a gbA+ about as much as I think about a hitter with a (-1) clutch rating... I just don't anticipate it being a factor. I would estimate a gbA+ turns into a single maybe once per team per season, but that's just my memory.

Runners held is a different story, as there many times X chances turn into hits due to the range penalty.