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I made a bad team

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:13 am
by MaxPower
After my first 23 completed teams I finally made one that finished under .500.

This comically light-hitting squad may have located some sort of boundary for the Four Aces strategy.

https://365.strat-o-matic.com/team/1633145

Maybe 70% is too much to spend on pitching? (And yet...positive run differential, 85 expected wins...)

https://365.strat-o-matic.com/league/454533

Clearly though the team's biggest problem was there were not enough 1985 Blue Jays.

Re: I made a bad team

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:15 pm
by Danchiacchia
Was curious how you did in 1 run games, and I see 19-37. The fact you still finished with 76 wins is pretty impressive. I have had similar issues with pitching heavy teams.

Re: I made a bad team

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:36 am
by Scoops Baseball
I know next to nothing, my only takeaway would be if you spend that much on pitching, you might want to have all 1's with low errors in the field. looking at your expected outs you gave away a lot, in my humble opinion-killer D would have won you more of those 1 run games.

Re: I made a bad team

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:09 am
by egvrich
Scoops Baseball wrote:I know next to nothing, my only takeaway would be if you spend that much on pitching, you might want to have all 1's with low errors in the field. looking at your expected outs you gave away a lot, in my humble opinion-killer D would have won you more of those 1 run games.


So, if he had all 1's on defense, he'd have even less offense. You can win with that percentage IMHO, but you need to find real value hitters or cheap platoons.

Re: I made a bad team

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:22 pm
by Roosky
You have to get guys on base to score runs and for the most part you have no one that I would consider good in that department. Just my two cents.

Re: I made a bad team

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:49 pm
by FrankieT
Agree with Rich and Roosky.
Other thing is I typically consider 1-run and XI games as a 50-50 proposition due to the lack of fine control late game and the fact that you can't really build for it. Many things can get weird when HAL is out of options, or in a close game where small AI mistakes make a big difference.

So, with such a lousy 1-run record, I'd say bump your expected wins centerline closer to where the 1 run games would have been at 50%.

But I do agree with the need to get on base more than opponents. You have to find value guys--which won't be the ones with power. So, OBA and Hits of any kind if you have that much pitching.

Ordinarily you could do the double/triple XBH guys, but maybe not needed with so much pitching. Just OBA, hits in general, and speed

Would rather the Hoblitzells--McInnis types vs Upshaws...like Leibold...Brock...DBush...oquendo etc type guys.

Re: I made a bad team

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:02 pm
by FrankieT
And oh dang didn't realize Wagner playing C. Never seen that go well at that cap with a smallball team. You were like -125 on stolen bases. Heck a catcher with enough arm to put stealers at -2 or worse for a majority of games and who has neutral or posi-clutch, and maybe run 1-13. That may have snagged a few 1-run games. Killefer can HnR so could have started with a myatt or something against very hard righties to keep people off balance.

Re: I made a bad team

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:50 pm
by MaxPower
Wow I hadn't noticed what a bad year Wagner had behind the plate. Think that's a bit of an outlier though, I've definitely succeeded with him before.

Same cap, same park, he threw out 34% of runners https://365.strat-o-matic.com/team/fielding/1626096

Same cap in a hitters park, he threw out 24% https://365.strat-o-matic.com/team/fielding/1624516 Feel like this is probably close to his median performance. 25% is generally break-even in terms of value.

Here he is as a midseason replacement for Scioscia, throwing out 29% while OPSing over .800 https://365.strat-o-matic.com/team/fielding/1612031

I do like to skimp on catcher arm when I'm in a park with low singles. And since I tend to go Four Aces at low caps I feel like that diminishes arm importance even more since there are even fewer baserunners.

Re: I made a bad team

PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:02 pm
by FrankieT
Well then I guess now I can amend my comment:
FrankieT wrote: Rarely seen that go well at that cap with a smallball team.


When you posted, I thought you were seeking inputs on why it was a bad team. If happy with Wagner, and your run diff, et al, maybe you are just thinking it wasn't so bad, just at the tail of the expected outcome distribution on these rolls.