Strat-O-Matic Baseball 365

Tie game, bottom of the ninth, no outs, runners on second and third.

Ordonez executed a squeeze play and the runner on third scored the winning run.

I assume in a real game, the catcher would not throw to first while the winning run crossed the plate.
Assuming he just holds on to the ball, and there is no putout, how would this be scored? Single? Fielder's choice? Sacrifice?

0 23 R.Ordonez sqz Sac Bunt (C) 3-H 2-3 b-0 F9

In a similar situation, I've seen cases where the batter hits a long fly that would normally be an easy sacrifice fly. The outfielder then runs off the field and it's scored as a single.

Just wondering.

I think that would be a scorers judgement play. If the scorer thinks the bunt was good enough that he would have beaten it out, then he could award a single, but most likely it would be a sacrifice, and the batter reached on a fielders choice.

I think it would be an RBI single if the batter safely reached first and the catcher failed to tag out the runner scoring the winning run.

Yeah probably a scorer judgement. With no outs and the winning run on third in the last inning, I think it is safe to say he is not bunting for a base hit since the runner at third is the main focus.

10.08 SACRIFICES
The official scorer shall:
(a) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the batter advances one or more runners with a bunt and is put out at first base, or would have been put out except for a fielding error, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, the batter was bunting exclusively for a base hit and not sacrificing his own chance of reaching first base for the purpose of advancing a runner or runners, in which case the official scorer shall charge the batter with a time at bat;

Rule 10.08(a) Comment: In determining whether the batter had been sacrificing his own chance of reaching first base for the purpose of advancing a runner, the official scorer shall give the batter the benefit of the doubt. The official scorer shall consider the totality of the circumstances of the at-bat, including the inning, the number of outs and the score.

If no out is recorded on a play, there are only 2 outcomes, hit or error. Fielder's choice refers to when an out is recorded...FrankieT posted the rule for sacrifices that explicitly says an out is recorded or would have been if an error was committed.

No out, no error...rbi single

I don't think that's correct coach. A fielder's choice can result in no out if the fielder makes a play on a runner but is unsuccessful in recording the out. The baseball rule says you give a hit if he would not have been out with ordinary effort, which also means that if he would have been out with ordinary effort it's not a hit.

9.05 Base Hits
A base hit is a statistic credited to a batter when such batter reaches base safely, as set forth in this Rule 9.05.
(a) The Official Scorer shall credit a batter with a base hit when:

(6) a fielder unsuccessfully attempts to put out a preceding runner and, in the Official Scorer’s judgment, the batter-runner would not have been put out at first base by ordinary effort.

if a fielder other than the catcher fields the ball and throws it to the catcher, fielder's choice...if for some reason the catcher fields the ball and attempted a tag, fielder's choice, in either case sacrifice credit could be given but if he fielded away from the line he would have no shot at an out at home plate and no throw was made....base hit...never seen an official scorer do much else, even if the rule states that he can

coachprbb - I believe that the fielder's choice refers to the attempt by the fielder to record an out but NOT necessarily to the outcome, that is, the 'choice' refers to how the fielder attempted to record an out, not necessarily to the recording of an out. (note that a fielder's choice can still be scored even if an error results in no out on the play)

I concede this is NOT an official rule reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fielder%27s_choice

PATRICKCASSIDY wrote:coachprbb - I believe that the fielder's choice refers to the attempt by the fielder to record an out but NOT necessarily to the outcome, that is, the 'choice' refers to how the fielder attempted to record an out, not necessarily to the recording of an out. (note that a fielder's choice can still be scored even if an error results in no out on the play)

I concede this is NOT an official rule reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fielder%27s_choice

Catcher throws to 1b but wild, FC and error?