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Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:30 pm
by Hack Wilson
I really like this 5L card for a SS at $7.69M in $80M or 100M leagues, especially if you're facing a lot of lefty pitching teams. Most optimal in a power park where he can take advantage of 4 ballpark homers against lefties.

But I think Nomar's best season, 2000, gets, short shrift in SOM. He had a 1.033 OPS, yet the card just doesn't measure up to real life at all.

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:44 pm
by Mattw0909
I just started a season last night with that card and the 85 Henderson which is very similar

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:54 pm
by FrankieT
Mattw0909 wrote:I just started a season last night with that card and the 85 Henderson which is very similar

Except for a weak platoon in a high cap, I have never found a scenario where the 85 Henderson was an optimal choice for any environment.
For me, small ball it is 82 or 83

For HR park, the 90.

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:56 pm
by Hack Wilson
Interesting, hadn't made that connection yet between Ricky and Nomar. Basically same price (7.69 to 7.68), Ricky gives you more OBP and speed/SB, Nomar gives you more power, doubles and HRs. Ricky, a 1 in LF, Nomar a 2 at SS. Usefulness based on particular ballparks.

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:59 pm
by FrankieT
Hack Wilson wrote:I really like this 5L card for a SS at $7.69M in $80M or 100M leagues, especially if you're facing a lot of lefty pitching teams. Most optimal in a power park where he can take advantage of 4 ballpark homers against lefties.

But I think Nomar's best season, 2000, gets, short shrift in SOM. He had a 1.033 OPS, yet the card just doesn't measure up to real life at all.

His actuals are not terrible at 80M, but yeah that card usually underperforms the '99 consistently and yet 99 was (potentially) a marginally lesser season in real life. But it does seem the pricing is accurate based on the performance, which is interesting. as you say he gets short shrifted

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:30 pm
by Hack Wilson
Good points -- a shortstop hitting .372 and an OPS of 1.033 with a 2 range rating should be among the best. That's Nomar in 2000.

When I checked the actual stats for 80M leagues, Nomar's '99 card is ranked 5th with a .946 OPS actual in play. Yet that 2000 card is 13th with an .895 OPS. But 2000 was a better season for Nomar. Not technically a whole lot better than '99 in OPS ('99 is 1.021 in real life). I know, but go figure.... :) Anyhow, another example of how the cards don't reflect real life, and bargains, value can be found (and sentimentalism or fan-favorite-seasons aren't smart to lock on to).

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 12:14 am
by FrankieT
all true. Maybe one of the wonkmasters will roll in and explain something about the offenses that year, or the offense at Fenway as the background and that he didn't rise above the background as much as the other season did.

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:03 am
by andycummings65
Power speaks loudest in ATG.

However, think where the 1999 and 2000 cards are used, respectively.
I'm have usually used the 1999 in a more power-friendly environment, whereas I have used the 2000 card many times in small ball environments.

I think park usage is probably the reason 1999 "outperforms" the 2000 card in the Stats History results.

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:39 am
by MaxPower
My guess is the lopsided 99 card gets used a lot in lefty-heavy environments and ends up facing more lefties than the card was originally targeting. I've never spent much time digging through the actuals but I'd expect that lopsided cards would pretty commonly outperform expected replay stats for that reason?

Re: Nomar Garciaparra '99

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:54 am
by Mattw0909
FrankieT wrote:
Mattw0909 wrote:I just started a season last night with that card and the 85 Henderson which is very similar

Except for a weak platoon in a high cap, I have never found a scenario where the 85 Henderson was an optimal choice for any environment.
For me, small ball it is 82 or 83

For HR park, the 90.



There’s a lot of lefty pitching in the league, & the righty side isn’t horrible. Using him in left field so the defense is pretty good and for the price I was interested in using it with the strong lefty side. I’m not the type of player to find the “optimal” card necessarily but I get your point.