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Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:15 pm
by hollywood
About the only time I see a hitter without BP singles on their card is if they have few if any natural singles. So I happened to look at the $500K for Randy G. Johnson and noticed BP singles at 1-3 and 3-10 vs RHP were the only singles on the right side of his card. Is this a mistake? Does anyone know why this is true? Are there more like this? I'm not likely to use this card, so it's just a quirk, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see what your knowledgeable responses might say.

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:36 pm
by MaxPower
That's indeed the only card in the set with 5 BPSI and 0 SI, although I don't really see why it would be a mistake or why one should preclude the other.

More odd to me is 1922 Oscar Charleston having 2 BPSI when every other card has either 0 or 5. I'm guessing 2-4 vsL was supposed to be > and got rendered as $? Would be interesting to know if it is really a clutch roll in practice.

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:52 pm
by barrmorris
MaxPower wrote:That's indeed the only card in the set with 5 BPSI and 0 SI, although I don't really see why it would be a mistake or why one should preclude the other.

More odd to me is 1922 Oscar Charleston having 2 BPSI when every other card has either 0 or 5. I'm guessing 2-4 vsL was supposed to be > and got rendered as $? Would be interesting to know if it is really a clutch roll in practice.


Max, can you (or anyone else) point me to a league where Oscar Charleston (1922) is being used. I can pull pbp and see if I can answer your question.

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:34 am
by MaxPower
Don't think I've seen him used yet but will post here if I do

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 12:26 pm
by ploughboy1526
MaxPower wrote:That's indeed the only card in the set with 5 BPSI and 0 SI, although I don't really see why it would be a mistake or why one should preclude the other.

More odd to me is 1922 Oscar Charleston having 2 BPSI when every other card has either 0 or 5. I'm guessing 2-4 vsL was supposed to be > and got rendered as $? Would be interesting to know if it is really a clutch roll in practice.


Wow. Learn something new every day! I thought ALL CARDS had BPSI of 5.

Nice to know finally.

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:25 am
by ploughboy1526
ploughboy1526 wrote:
MaxPower wrote:That's indeed the only card in the set with 5 BPSI and 0 SI, although I don't really see why it would be a mistake or why one should preclude the other.

More odd to me is 1922 Oscar Charleston having 2 BPSI when every other card has either 0 or 5. I'm guessing 2-4 vsL was supposed to be > and got rendered as $? Would be interesting to know if it is really a clutch roll in practice.


Wow. Learn something new every day! I thought ALL CARDS had BPSI of 5.

Nice to know finally.


I mean, I've known that to be the case with some pitchers, but never knew it to be the case with any hitters.

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 1:46 am
by mykeedee
Max, can you (or anyone else) point me to a league where Oscar Charleston (1922) is being used. I can pull pbp and see if I can answer your question.


https://365.strat-o-matic.com/league/463834

Barrmorris, he is on the Lansing Lancers.

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:15 am
by barrmorris
Thanks, the 2-4 roll vs left has only happened once so far but it wasn't in a clutch situation. So the only thing I can confirm is that it is not being interpreted as a ballpark single. I'll check back after more games.

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:52 pm
by MaxPower
Ah, well that's likely our answer then. No reason to think the clutch symbol isn't operative if there's no phantom BPSI occurring. Thanks! Always nice to know the cards are the cards.

Re: Ballpark singles oddity

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:07 pm
by barrmorris
I agree, plus it might take more than one season to see a 2-4, vs left in a clutch situation.