Thoughts on the 2000s?

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paul8210

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Re: Thoughts on the 2000s?

PostSun Jun 20, 2021 8:01 am

I'm puzzled by relief pitcher endurance for the 2000 mystery set . Two relief pitchers with the same setting (R1/C6). One pitcher pitched two innings and in the next game pitched with F0 fatigue the whole inning. The other pitcher pitched two innings and in the next game, did not pitch with fatigue. Neither pitcher pitched three games in a row.

My conclusion is that pitch count in the previous outing must have been a factor. One pitcher pitched 37 pitches and the other pitcher pitched 23 pitches.

A two inning outing by a (R1/C6) should not, by itself, lead to immediate fatigue in the next outing, unless Glenn Guzzo's notes from a 2018 article are no longer valid. Guzzo's notes have to do with a pitcher who pitches two innings past his rating, not one. Such a pitcher needs to rest a day or else he becomes fatigued immediately in his next outing.

However relief pitcher endurance is supposed to work in this example, it's not clear in any online documentation.
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Re: Thoughts on the 2000s?

PostSun Jun 20, 2021 10:44 am

paul8210 wrote:I'm puzzled by relief pitcher endurance for the 2000 mystery set . Two relief pitchers with the same setting (R1/C6). One pitcher pitched two innings and in the next game pitched with F0 fatigue the whole inning. The other pitcher pitched one inning and in the next game, did not pitch with fatigue for his inning pitched. Neither pitcher pitched three games in a row.

My conclusion is that pitch count in the previous outing must have been a factor. One pitcher pitched 37 pitches and the other pitcher pitched 23 pitches.

A two inning outing by a (R1/C6) should not, by itself, lead to immediate fatigue in the next outing, unless Glenn Guzzo's notes from a 2018 article are no longer valid. Guzzo's notes have to do with a pitcher who pitches two innings past his rating, not one. Such a pitcher needs to rest a day or else he becomes fatigued immediately in his next outing.

However relief pitcher endurance is supposed to work in this example, it's not clear in any online documentation.



The 2000s (unlike the other mystery sets) has adopted the "new" bullpen v.3 logic. Basically anti-super relievers which limits the innings and roles that relievers can have.

https://stratomatic365.fandom.com/wiki/Bullpen_v3
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Re: Thoughts on the 2000s?

PostSun Jun 20, 2021 12:40 pm

Thanks for that bullpen v3 documentation. This is why the documentation is less than clear. They use terms like "particularly long outing" but don't define if they're talking about innings pitched or pitch count or possibly either.

Based on my observation I'll assume that, given two relief pitchers with the same endurance ratings, a reliever's two inning outing pitched with a high pitch count has potentially more impact on the pitcher's fatigue the next game than a reliever's two inning outing pitched with a low pitch count.
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Re: Thoughts on the 2000s?

PostThu Jul 08, 2021 11:04 am

On a very small sample of teams, I agree on the imbalance between pitching and hitting. That can be fixed with a price adjustment to some degree. It is difficult to read the cards given how the injuries shake out, but it is a mystery league after all.
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