80's Mystery Gossage v Mitch Williams

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80's Mystery Gossage v Mitch Williams

PostMon Dec 04, 2023 2:34 am

Hi. Why is mystery card 80's Mitch Williams 3.73 salary more expensive then Gossage 2.80 salary? I dont understand, I look at the cards, I see the stats on Baseball Reference, what am I missing? Goose is obviously the superior pitcher. Is it a lefty right thing?
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Re: 80's Mystery Gossage v Mitch Williams

PostMon Dec 11, 2023 6:00 pm

The 80s was the first mystery card game and the pricing was not as good as any of the other mystery card games. There are several overpriced players. Mitch Williams is one of them for sure. I never use him. Gossage is actually underpriced and generally a good value in my opinion. SOM has told me in the past that they are not interested in repricing the 80s game nor adding about 100 players that should have been in that game.
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Re: 80's Mystery Gossage v Mitch Williams

PostTue Dec 12, 2023 2:24 am

LMBombers wrote:...SOM has told me in the past that they are not interested in repricing the 80s game nor adding about 100 players that should have been in that game.


That is so irritating. Even a few tweaks in some of the mystery sets would make the game so much better.
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Re: 80's Mystery Gossage v Mitch Williams

PostTue Dec 12, 2023 9:36 pm

coyote303 wrote:
LMBombers wrote:...SOM has told me in the past that they are not interested in repricing the 80s game nor adding about 100 players that should have been in that game.


That is so irritating. Even a few tweaks in some of the mystery sets would make the game so much better.



.. could not be any more in agreement sir .
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Re: 80's Mystery Gossage v Mitch Williams

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Re: 80's Mystery Gossage v Mitch Williams

PostWed Dec 13, 2023 3:35 pm

This was LMBombers contribution from several years ago. The 80s set is now about 20 years old and there has never been a "refresh" of either the pricing (which often is bad) or the player pool.

[quote="LMBombers"]The 80s (very first mystery card game) player pricing is way too low compared to the other mystery games. I suggested to SOM that there be a repricing of that game at least. Also that game has the lowest player pool.

I went through every team’s roster from 1982-1987 and looked at every player looking for prospects to add to the player pool. I used the following arbitrary criteria. Must have at least 5 years with at least 100 AB or 40 or so IP for a RP or 100 IP for a SP. If the player had 4 or 5 of such years within 1980-1989 that met this criteria I listed him in group A. If the player had 3 years in the 80s and 2 years in the 70s or 90s I listed him in group B. I only wanted players that had at least 3 qualifying seasons in the 80’s. These limits are not SOM’s but simply mine for use in compiling this list.

Some players had more than 5 seasons that met the minimum playing time criteria I used so for those players other years could be substituted for ones I have suggested. I tried to stay away from unusually good or bad seasons where possible. If all players in group A hitters and pitchers are added that would bring the player pool up to 731. That is on the low end of what I propose as the target range for the player pool. Maybe we add some of the group B players and/or don’t use all the players from group A. This post is simply to start a discussion and is not meant to be a final answer. I put a lot of work into researching these players because I love the mystery card games (all four decades) and want them all to be as much fun as possible and because I enjoyed doing it.

The players below are simply listed alphabetically within each group and not in any order of preference. There are not many superstars. They are largely ageing vets at the end of their career, young players that would be superstars in the 90s or bench players for the most part. Anyway I submitted this to SOM several years ago and they considered adding players and repricing the 80s but decided the return would not justify their time and expense.

HITTERS (Group A)
Bench, Johnny – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Bonds, Barry – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90 (the pre PED years)
Bosley, Thad – 80, 81, 85, 86, 87
Burroughs, Jeff – 80, 81, 82, 83, 85
Butera, Sal – 80, 81, 82, 85, 86
Cangelosi, John – 86, 87, 88, 89, 94
Coles, Darnell – 84, 86, 87, 88, 89
Cotto, Henry – 84, 87, 88, 89, 90
Dent, Bucky – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Galarraga, Andres – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
Gross, Greg – 80, 83, 84, 85, 86
Hairston, Jerry – 83, 84, 85, 86, 87
Harper, Brian – 83, 84, 88, 89, 90
Harper, Terry - 82, 83, 84, 85, 86
Hebner, Richie – 80, 81, 82, 83, 85
Javier, Stan – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
Jeltz, Steve – 85, 86, 87, 88, 89
Jones, Lynn – 79, 81, 82, 84, 85
Krenchicki, Wayne – 82, 83, 84, 85, 86
Kuiper, Duane – 80, 81, 82, 83, 84
Lefebvre, Joe – 80, 81, 82, 83), 84
Lyons, Steve – 85, 86, 87, 88, 89
Meacham, Bob – 84, 85, 86, 87, 88
Monday, Rick – 78, 80, 81, 82, 83 (then again maybe that ’81 season is just too good?)
Money, Don – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Moore, Charlie – 80, 82, 83, 85, 86
Morales, Jerry – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Morgan, Joe – 80, 81, 82, 83, 84
Nicosia, Steve – 79, 80, 81, 82, 84
Nixon, Otis – 85, 86, 88, 89, 90
O’Malley, Tom – 82, 83, 86, 87, 90
Ortiz, Junior – 83, 87, 88, 89 (the 5th year could be [84/91 - bad] or [86/90 – good])
Otis, Amos – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Perez, Tony – 80, 81, 82, 83, 86
Picciolo, Rob – 79, 80, 81, 84, 85 (possibly use ’77 for ’84 but that would throw him down into the next group with only three 80’s seasons)
Piniella, Lou – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Ramos, Domingo – 83, 85, 86, 89, 90
Reed, Jeff – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
Russell, John – 84, 85, 86, 89, 90
Sakata, Lenn – 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Sierra, Ruben – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
Simpson, Joe – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Skinner, Joel – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
Squires, Mike – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Thomas Derrel – 79, 80, 81, 83, 84
Thompson, Scot – 79, 80, 81, 84, 85
Venable, Max – 80, 82, 83, 85, 86
Washington, Ron – 82, 83, 84, 85, 88
Watson, Bob – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Wellman, Brad – 83, 84, 85, 88, 89
Wohlford, Jim – 79, 80, 82, 83, 85
Woods, Gary – 77, 81, 82, 83, 84
Wright, George – 82, 83, 84, 85, 86
Yastrzemski, Carl – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83

HITTERS (Group B)
Allenson, Gary – 79, 81, 82, 83, 84 (only 4 seasons of over 100 AB)
Anderson, Jim – 78, 79, 80, 81, 83
Ayala, Benny – 80, 81, 82, 83, 84 (only 4 seasons of over 100 AB)
Bell, Jay – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Bevacqua, Kurt – 78, 79, 82, 83, 85
Biittner, Larry – 78, 79, 80, 82, 83
Bilardello, Dann – 83, 84, 85, 86, 89 (only 4 seasons of over 100 AB)
Bochy, Bruce – 78, 79, 84, 85, 86
Burks, Ellis – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Candaele, Casey – 86, 87, 88, 90, 91
Cruz, Todd – 79, 80, 82, 83, 84 (can’t hit a lick, do we really care?)
Eisenreich, Jim – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Essian, Jim – 79, 80, 82, 83, 84 (only 4 of these seasons over 100 AB, you would have to go back further in the 70’s for another 100+ season. The 1983 season is close though.)
Gallego, Mike – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Garcia, Kiko – 78, 79, 80, 81, 83
Geronimo, Cesar – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Hill, Marc – 79, 80 , 82, 83, 84 (only two seasons of 100+ AB in the 80’s)
Hodges, Ron – 76, 77, 82, 83, 84
Johnson, Lamar – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Johnstone, Jay – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 (1981 has below 100 AB)
Karkovice, Ron – 86, 88, 89, 90, 91
Kingery, Mike – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90 (1989 has 76 AB, you could substitute an awful 1991 season.)
Lake, Steve – 83, 85, 87, 89, 91 (1983 has only 85 AB)
Larkin, Gene – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Lee, Manuel – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Liriano, Nelson – 87, 88, 89, 90, 94
Magadan, Dave – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Mayberry, John – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
McBride, Bake – 78, 79, 80, 81, 83
McKay, Dave – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
McLemore, Mark – 87, 88, 89, 92, 93
Milbourne, Larry – 79, 80, 82, 83, 84 (1983 only 66 AB)
Murcer, Bobby – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Narron, Jerry – 79, 80, 81, 84, 85 (can’t hit, does he really matter?)
Palmeiro, Rafael – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Perkins, Broderick – 78, 79, 81, 82, 83
Pujols, Luis – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82 (he is so awful does it really matter?)
Quinones, Luis – 86, 87, 89, 90, 91
Rayford, Floyd – 83, 84, 85, 86, 87 (1987 only 50 AB)
Revering, Dave – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Rudi, Joe – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Stanley, Mike – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Staub, Rusty – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 (His 80, 81 & 83 cards may be too good for a part time player)
Surhoff, BJ – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Tenace, Gene – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
White, Jerry – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Williams, Matt – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91


PITCHERS (Group A)
Beckwith, Joe – 80, 82, 83, 84, 85
Bird, Doug – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Castillo, Bobby – 80, 81, 82, 83, 85
Easterly, Jamie – 81, 82, 83, 84, 85
Fingers, Rollie – 80, 81, 82, 84, 85
Forster, Terry – 82, 83, 84, 85, 86
Franco, John – 85, 86, 87, 88, 89
Garrelts, Scott – 85, 86, 87, 88, 89 (another player who mixes RP only with mostly SP seasons but the difference here is that his best season was as a SP so I think it is OK to list him as a S/R.)
Havens, Brad – 81, 82, 83, 86, 88
Hooton, Burt – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Howell, Ken – 84, 85, 86, 87, 89
Jenkins, Fergie – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Koosman, Jerry – 79, 80, 82, 83, 84
McGraw, Tug – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Monge, Sid – 80, 81, 82, 83 and either 79 or 84
Morgan, Mike – 82, 86, 87, 89, 90
Niekro, Phil – 80, 82, 83, 84, 85
Palmer, Jim – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Perry, Gaylord – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Plesac, Dan – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90
Reed, Ron – 80, 81, 82, 83, 84
Renko, Steve – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Seaver, Tom – 80, 81, 83, 84, 85
Sosa, Elias – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Tidrow, Dick – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Tobik, Dave – 80, 81, 82, 83, 84
Torrez, Mike – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Underwood, Tom – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83
Witt, Bobby – 86, 87, 88, 89, 90

PITCHERS (Group B)
Aguilera, Rick – 85, 86, 87, 89, 90 (only 4 years as a SP & one dominant RP card makes it difficult I think. Maybe he is better left in the 90s as a RP?)
Augustine, Jerry – 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 (he is not very good so it might not matter)
Fisher, Brian – 85, 86, 87, 88, 92 (3 seasons as mainly a SP but 1 season as a dominant RP might be crazy if listed as a S/R and is able to start with those stats. Very much like Aguilera in that respect.)
Fryman, Woodie – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Henneman, Mike – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Hood, Don – 78, 79, 80, 82, 83
Hrabosky, Al – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Jackson, Michael – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Jones, Doug – 87. 88. 89. 90, 91
Lancaster, Les – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
LaRoche, Dave – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Maddux, Greg – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Magrane, Joe – 87, 88, 89, 90, 93 (These are the exact cards he has for the 90s game. Even though 3 years are in the 80s would we really want a duplicate?)
Matlack, Jon – 77, 78, 80, 81, 82
May, Rudy – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Medich, Doc – 78, 79, 80, 81, 82
Myers, Randy – 87, 88, 89, 90, 91
Owchinko, Bob – 79, 80, 81, 82, 84 (1981 he only had 39 IP. Maybe use 1978 in place of 1981?)
Rijo, Jose – 86, 88, 89, 90, 91
Roberge, Bert – 79, 82, 84, 85, 86 (maybe he didn’t really play enough)
Sanchez, Luis – 81, 82, 83, 84, 85 (all the seasons in the 80’s but his first season only has 33 IP. Is it enough?)
Searage, Ray – 81, 85, 86, 87, 89 (Similar to Luis Sanchez but he has two seasons of only 30 something IP instead of only one.)
Thomas, Roy – 79, 80, 83/qu, 84, 85 (He has a few starts in these 5 years. If he would be listed as RP only then I would move him into Group A.)[quote]

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