Thoughts on this trade?

200M league, pre-waivers. Trade between two teams in the same division.

Date of trade: Monday, October 8, 3:23pm ET

Shea Stadium '71
McDowell, Sam (1968) ($9,600,000)
Boggs, Wade (1987) ($9,600,000)
Ripken Jr., Cal (1991) ($9,720,000)
Stearnes, Turkey (NeL) ($10,410,000)
Jackson, Joe (1911) ($9,110,000)

to

Wrigley '78
Campbell, Bill (1982) ($2,420,000)
Mathews, Eddie (1957) ($6,970,000)
Rosen, Al (1952) ($6,120,000)
Jackson, Travis (1927) ($5,190,000)


Post trade rosters: Shea '71
Gregg, Vean (1911) L S9* 23 7 0 244.1 172 0 49 86 125 2 -1 0 7 2WR 1.80 1.06 4R 8.83M
Jones, Slim (NeL) L S9/R4 12 6 0 171.0 123 0 41 39 153 7 -3 2 1 6NL 2.16 0.95 1R 8.09M
Adams, Babe (1915) R S7*/R5 14 14 2 245.0 229 0 78 34 62 6 0 0 2 2WL 2.87 1.07 E 6.14M
Dickson, Murry (1946) R S5/R5 15 6 1 184.1 160 71 59 56 82 8 +1 0 3 5WR 2.88 1.17 E 5.13M
Schumacher, Hal (1940) R S7* 13 13 1 227.0 218 0 82 96 123 14 +1 0 4 3NR 3.25 1.38 E 3.79M
Honeycutt, Rick (1990) L R1 2 2 7 63.1 46 23 19 22 38 2 -3 6 3 1WL 2.70 1.07 4L 2.66M
Campbell, Bill (1982) R R3 3 6 8 100.0 89 0 41 40 71 6 0 4 6 1WR 3.69 1.29 1L 2.42M
Forsch, Ken (1977) R R3 5 8 8 86.0 80 0 26 28 45 2 -3 0 7 1WR 2.72 1.26 8L 2.04M
Hernandez, Willie (1986) L R2 8 7 24 88.2 87 0 35 21 77 13 +2 4 4 1WL 3.55 1.22 7L 1.69M
Carter, Paul (1917) R R5 5 8 2 113.1 115 0 41 19 34 2 +1 4 2 2WL 3.26 1.18 E 1.35M


Hitters (14) min. 13, max. 17 (total min. 24, max. 28)
Name B P Def. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS Stl Run BA OBP SLG Inj BAL Salary
Dickey, Bill (1937) L C 1(-1)e4 530 87 176 35 2 29 133 73 22 3 2 C 1-11 .332 .417 .570 2 1R 10.38M
Bench, Johnny (1970) R C 1(-4)e7 605 97 177 35 4 45 148 54 102 5 2 D 1-12 .293 .345 .587 1 4L 7.59M
Connor, Roger (1889) L 1B 2e14 496 117 157 32 17 13 130 93 46 21 0 B 1-12 .317 .423 .528 0 E 8.55M
Morgan, Joe (1976) L 2B 1e16 472 113 151 30 5 27 111 114 41 60 9 AA 1-17 .320 .444 .576 1 5R 10.30M
Mathews, Eddie (1957) L 3B 2e17 572 109 167 28 9 32 94 90 79 3 1 D 1-15 .292 .387 .540 1 5R 6.97M
Rosen, Al (1952) R 3B 3e19 567 101 171 32 5 28 105 75 54 8 6 C 1-12 .302 .381 .524 1 1L 6.12M
Cronin, Joe (1930) R SS 2e23 587 127 203 41 9 13 126 72 36 17 10 B 1-15 .346 .414 .513 1 4L 7.42M
Jackson, Travis (1927) R SS 1e31 469 67 149 29 4 14 98 32 30 8 0 C 1-14 .318 .363 .486 1 1L 5.19M
Charleston, Oscar (NeL) L CF 1(-1)e6 558 184 218 45 14 32 125 89 94 50 17 AA 1-17 .391 .474 .694 1 2L 12.89M
Griffey Jr., Ken (1994) L CF 1(-4)e7 433 94 140 24 4 40 90 56 73 11 3 B 1-17 .323 .402 .674 1 1R 9.66M
Ott, Mel (1929) L RF 2(-2)e8 545 138 179 37 2 42 151 113 38 6 0 C 1-13 .328 .440 .635 1 E 9.15M
Canseco, Jose (1988) R RF 3(-3)e9 610 120 187 34 0 42 124 78 128 40 16 AA 1-16 .307 .391 .569 1 2L 8.34M
Wright, Wild Bill (NeL) S RF 1(-2)e6 543 120 188 23 13 19 95 59 33 33 11 AA 1-17 .346 .410 .541 1 4L 8.18M
Jackson, Reggie (1982) L RF 4(-1)e9 530 92 146 17 1 39 101 85 156 4 5 D 1-14 .275 .375 .532 1 E 3.79M


Post trade Wrigley '78
Tiant, Luis (1968) R S9*/R3 21 9 0 258.1 152 0 46 73 264 16 -5 0 2 1WR 1.60 0.87 1L 10.45M
McDowell, Sam (1968) L S8* 15 14 0 269.0 181 0 54 110 283 13 -2 1 5 2WL 1.81 1.08 3L 9.60M
Mays, Carl (1917) R S9* 22 9 0 289.0 230 0 56 74 91 1 +1 0 4 4WL 1.74 1.05 E 9.28M
Santana, Johan (2004) L S7* 20 6 0 228.0 156 0 66 54 265 0 -4 0 7 3WL 2.61 0.92 1R 9.14M
Waddell, Rube (1905) L S9*/R5 27 10 0 328.2 231 0 54 90 287 5 -1 2 6 2WR 1.48 0.98 E 8.80M
Score, Herb (1956) L S8*/R4 20 9 0 249.1 162 0 70 129 263 18 -1 0 9 3WL 2.53 1.17 2R 7.91M
Sutter, Bruce (1977) R R3 7 3 31 107.1 69 0 16 23 129 5 +1 0 16 1WR 1.34 0.86 3L 5.53M
Reardon, Jeff (1985) R R3 2 8 41 88.0 68 0 31 26 67 7 0 0 5 3WR 3.18 1.07 1L 3.75M
Hall, Dick (1965) R R4 11 8 12 94.0 84 0 32 11 79 8 +2 0 0 5WR 3.07 1.01 2R 3.12M
Klippstein, Johnny (1960) R R3 5 5 14 74.1 53 0 24 35 46 8 -3 0 2 2WR 2.91 1.18 E 2.60M


Hitters (16) min. 13, max. 17 (total min. 24, max. 28)
Name B P Def. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS Stl Run BA OBP SLG Inj BAL Salary
O'Neill, Steve (1920) R C 1(-3)e5 489 63 157 39 5 3 55 69 39 3 5 D 1-8 .321 .408 .440 1 1R 5.50M
Campanella, Roy (1950) R C 1(-3)e6 437 70 123 19 3 31 89 55 51 1 0 E 1-10 .281 .364 .551 2 4L 5.49M
Mize, Johnny (1940) L 1B 4e12 579 111 182 31 13 43 137 82 49 7 0 C 1-13 .314 .396 .636 1 E 8.61M
Frisch, Frankie (1923) S 2B 1e14 641 116 223 32 10 12 111 46 12 29 12 A 1-16 .348 .389 .485 1 1R 7.45M
Collins, Eddie (1911) L 2B 1e13 493 92 180 22 13 3 73 62 0 38 0 A 1-17 .365 .451 .481 2 1R 7.25M
Evers, Johnny (1908) L 2B 1e14 416 83 125 19 6 0 37 66 0 36 0 AA 1-16 .300 .402 .375 1 1R 6.48M
Boggs, Wade (1987) L 3B 2e15 551 108 200 40 6 24 89 105 48 1 3 E 1-12 .363 .461 .588 1 1R 9.60M
Ripken Jr., Cal (1991) R SS 1e14 650 99 210 46 5 34 114 53 46 6 1 D 1-13 .323 .374 .566 0 3L 9.72M
Rizzuto, Phil (1950) R SS 1e12 617 125 200 36 7 7 66 92 39 12 8 B 1-17 .324 .418 .439 0 1L 8.46M
Bonds, Barry (1992) L LF 1(-2)e4 473 109 147 36 5 34 103 127 69 39 8 AA 1-17 .311 .456 .624 1 1R 11.47M
Stearnes, Turkey (NeL) L CF 1(0)e7 573 164 207 37 17 36 126 63 69 19 13 B 1-16 .361 .425 .674 1 2L 10.41M
Edmonds, Jim (2004) L CF 1(-2)e5 498 102 150 38 3 42 111 101 150 8 3 C 1-13 .301 .418 .643 1 E 9.17M
Hamilton, Billy (1894) L CF 1(+3)e9 558 198 225 25 15 4 90 128 19 100 0 AAA 1-17 .403 .521 .523 0 E 8.76M
Busby, Jim (1955) R CF 1(-1)e6 528 61 126 19 6 7 41 38 59 12 3 B 1-17 .239 .289 .337 1 E .90M
Smith, Chino (NeL) L RF 2(-1)e6 578 156 224 47 14 20 118 49 48 14 9 B 1-16 .388 .435 .621 1 1L 9.25M
Jackson, Joe (1911) L RF 1(-3)e6 571 126 233 45 19 7 83 56 0 41 0 A 1-17 .408 .468 .590 1 6R 9.11M

It's giving up an awful lot to get Mathews, especially considering he's giving away by far his best SP for Shea, but he apparently wanted the best lineup money could buy.

Whoever gave up all those guys to get Mathews must have no idea what he's doing.

Its a lot to give up for Mathews- But 2 factors- 1 you can see from this and one you cant might be the reason.

First- the person trading away Turkey etc. doesnt really need most of those pieces that he traded.

Second- league stadiums, Id bet they play into it. And if its the right piece then you make that trade, even if you are overpaying.

Third- There is no Salty in mudville- therefor no big buyers for joe jax (dammm, cant believe I missed this one)

Let's assume the manager who picked up Mathews knows what he is doing. If he's right, it just shows how insane the Mathews card really is and that it needs to be replaced by the real strat card.
Granted the OF'ers traded didn't hurt a whole lot given that he still has a fine outfield, although it's a little crowded in CF or RF so that's either more trade bait or the dh, at least against righties.

But what's left of the team has some issues. Instead of Ripen at SS, there's Cronin, a significant drop. Connor is a bit marginal at this cap at 1B and all the waivers guys are under 8 M. He must be planning to play Charleston at 1B. Then there's the pitching staff: Adams and Jones and pray for rain. My guess is these guys are the pen and that the starters may include guys like Wilbur Wood, Brown, Tanana, Scott, Lincecum and Hershiser a good subset of whom should be obtainable on waivers.

I'm actually more concerned about what the guy who traded Mathews got. His team should now be very competitive whereas I don't think that was necessarily the case before the trade.

That's the kind of trade that would make my head explode. I am probably in that league and don't even know it.

can we get a team link to see what the managers did?

-steven

There was an even better trade later in the preseason.

Trade Details
Date of trade: Thursday, October 11, 7:27pm ET

Maine Baseball Club 249 traded:
Marichal, Juan (1962) ($3,790,000)
Thompson, Sam (1889) ($2,840,000)

to Lost Causes - 5 for:
Face, Roy (1959) ($3,410,000)

http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/team/810022
http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/le ... ams/266236

One more reason why I have played my one and only $200 M autodraft league. You want to live draft them, I'm in (if I'm fast enough), and I'd also be more than happy to do a DD draft at that cap.

Yeah, I've reluctantly come to the same conclusion. This is my last 200M league.