Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

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macnole

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Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostMon Nov 19, 2012 6:28 am

I have become convinced that since the move to SOM there is still something wrong with team strategy inputs.

I have purposefully been tinkering with a current team on this and the switches/checkboxes on tendencies seem to have no discernible impact, whether it's pitching, stealing, etc.

Actually, a follow-up is: is this consistent with the computer game (which I don't have in my house of Apple products)?

Anyone else noting this, or am I just stuck in a statistical anomaly?
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Re: Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostThu Nov 22, 2012 4:15 pm

I think HAL leaves Quick Hook RPs in way too long. Also, I don't see defensive replacements going in all the time as desired. Ill hae to check on that one...but the RP settings are not that accurate as they were before...seemingly.
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Re: Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostThu Nov 22, 2012 7:55 pm

I feel the opposite.
Have no concrete proof. Just what I have observed.
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Re: Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostThu Nov 22, 2012 9:47 pm

The options on the team strategy page have definite measurable impacts, at least the ones that I actually use.
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Re: Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostThu Nov 22, 2012 10:41 pm

I think if one studies the "Manager Profiles" page of a typical league, one can see that team setting do in fact make a big difference. For example, here's a typical manager page in a 100M DH league. http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/league/stats/managers/regularseason/166029

Notably, one team (my COU) allowed only 7 IBB. From there, one finds a gradual curve up to the maxium allowed, 54 IBB. One team made only 4 Sac attempts. Another made 67. There's a lot of variation in between. All of these no doubt indicate team strategy and card settings. There are also very large variations in total steal attempts (as few as 22 and as many as 500), and hit and run attempts (as few as zero—4 teams—and as many as 127). So, team and player settings are obviously having major impacts on these kinds of plays, and how often they happen.

Also, look at the closer usage on the Pitching stats page. http://onlinegames.strat-o-matic.com/league/stats/players/pitching/166029/closers/s/0

Dennis Lamp led the league in saves, while pitching just 52.1 IP. Obviously he was given the "Maximize" closer setting. On the other hand, Dale Murray pitched 318 innings as an RP. These results were clearly a product of team and card settings.

So, while a manager won't always get the exact result he wants in given game, it seems to me clear that team and player settings do have a significant impact on what happens over a season.
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Re: Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostThu Nov 22, 2012 11:46 pm

i just think the quick hook logic doesn't work too well. everything else is just a matter of understanding what the settings mean and setting them accordingly. i will admit it is a little tricky setting them to maximize your team though.

-steven
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Re: Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostFri Nov 23, 2012 10:11 am

Pitching staffs have been my Pandora's Box. Doesn't seem to matter what settings I use, my staffs get pummeled. If I go conservative on relief, and max on closer , my SP will pitch 13 innings and lose and no closer even sees the mound. If I go normal then Hal blows through the pen, but never seems to find my set up man and closer. It's truly mind boggling.
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Re: Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostFri Nov 23, 2012 1:41 pm

Agree with all on the pitching part. I can definitely control things like HnR and IBB...but I'm mostly referring to whether there is a discernible difference between quick hook or not, the shades of severity on things like stealing and running.

It seems that it is less like a gradual dial-up or dial-down, it seems to me it is more of a binary yes/no with very little dynamic change between the two extremes.

But it seems to be a mixed bag, which translates to a most likely case of whether we ascribe perceptions to what the settings should do, vs what the settings actually do in the game engine. As such, seems there is no overall issue for most.

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Re: Strategy Choices Have No Real Impact

PostFri Nov 23, 2012 8:07 pm

Ive posted real game examples of this-other people here have commented it seems broken. Don't need to post again so soon, but admittedly this is not a researched opinion.

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