ATG VII is here.

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rjohaire

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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 3:32 pm

when did yhe shuffle the deck feature become "oft requested"
I know I don't read the boards much anymore, but I don't think I've ever seen it requested.
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PJ Axelsson

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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 3:33 pm

Does anyone know how the injury rolls are assigned?

Mark Brouhard has 117 pa's and gets the 2 roll.
Milt May has 135 pa's and gets the 3 roll.
Manny Ramirez, has 525 pa's and gets the 4 roll of death.
Bernie Williams has 573 pa's and gets the 3 roll.

Is there a formula?

It seems to me they could assign a usage rule where a player has increased injury chances if they go a certain point past their real season's usage. Just an increased chance of injury, or maybe lengthen the injury time if they exceed a usage point, open it up to 20, 30, even season ending injury. Wouldn't that be great!?!?! Milt May goes down with season ending injury after hitting his 20th homer of the season at the 100 game point! That was a heck of a gamble by the manager, but now you have to scramble to fill his shoes.
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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 4:48 pm

i want olerud 1993!!
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toronto50

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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 4:58 pm

i would like better cards for some of the franchises like the Blue Jays. Yes i am a homer. if you are a yanks/dodgers/cardinals fan etc you can put together atg teams with your teams favourite players and Represent. how many bleu jay cards are usable or get used? (clemens was never really a blue jay despite 2 cys)

delgado/mcgriff/shawn green/batting title olerud.

also-1 manny ramirez card out of all the cards that are available- there are some all-time goods or all-time mediocres that have 2 or 3 cards....but 1 manny card??

all-time....
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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 5:42 pm

The best I can come up with to explain the injury rolls is that they are done in a highly arbitrary manner based more on caprice then on realism -- which we can arbitrarily and capriciously define as SOM card performance (approaching) accurate replication of actual real-life performance, both measured via standard (saber) metrics.
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PJ Axelsson

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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 5:57 pm

If the goal is to reproduce the actual season with as much accuracy as possible, can someone run the numbers and tell me how likely it is for Manny to get his 525 plate appearances with an injury on a 4 roll?
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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 6:51 pm

PJ, I'm no good at running numbers (or even walking them), but I went through my "Manny Phase" and here's what I saw:

Actual games played on card=118

1 - 517 apps 119 games
2 - 163 apps 37 games (I dropped the SOB)
3 - 581 138
4 - 480 115
5 - 527 120

So I'd say the 4 injury works out pretty close to his card in my experience. Fortunately, My Manny Phase has subsided with drugs and therapy.

Rube
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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 7:01 pm

MIKEGILBERT wrote: Fortunately, My Manny Phase has subsided with drugs and therapy.


mmmmm- you mean his or yours?
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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 7:42 pm

I agree with Druid's request for updated pricing. At the very least, just from a supply-and-demand standpoint, the addition of 200 new cards (roughly a 5% increase in the player pool) should affect pricing. More importantly, given some of the player usage trends, it is apparent that some cards are significantly underpriced (and thus disproportionately used in $80M/ $100M), while others are overpriced and rarely used outside of theme leagues. Otherwise, why is John Tamargo used more than, say, Carlton Fisk or Roy Campanella at $80M? Or Kirby Higbe compared to Robin Roberts and Early Wynn? In any event, some teasers would be appreciated.

As far as the super-reliever strategy, I'd like to see some type of correction (and not merely a price increase, though that would likely be the simplest to implement). While a 110% innings limit (as someone suggested) seems a bit narrow, I'd be happy with a 140% or 150% usage cap. The real-life record for relief innings in a season is 208, yet the likes of Dale Murray often exceed that by 50%. (And in his case, it's based on a season where he was only in the majors for half the year!) To me, that's more egregious than the Milt May example, because hitters are still constrained by normal usage pattern. Getting 300 innings out of Murray would be like getting 1,000 plate appearances in a season from Gates Brown-- completely beyond any player's normal usage, and based on a partial season that is unrepresentative of their career as a whole.

As far as the new cards go, my guess is that most will be from active and recently-active players. I'd like to see some more options on some of the older team rosters-- particularly for use in franchise and era theme leagues. Of course, from a marketing standpoint, I could see why a Justin Verlander card might be more exciting than an upgraded Rabbit Maranville...
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Re: ATG VII is coming!!!

PostWed Nov 28, 2012 8:20 pm

Salty wrote:Gents-
Things still get done the same way- meaning when we complain about stuff.


Again--that which you don't personally observe is not necessarily non-existent...I walked into the woods and much to my surprise scared off an elk as I walked...until I realized there was a grizzly behind me...

In that sense, Druid is closer to the mark--the Glen Head company is behaving consistently with its history. But I still think it is an overall better experience thus far than TSN.

That said--the call for repricing is well overdue. I think the company however would view it as a small ROI since they would rather roll out new cards. No evidence of course from this mere board trolling customer.

But pricing is really the strategic hook of this online game. It is vitally important.
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